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Kevin M.
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My daughter bought a CVN-200 from KK music. She got it on sale for $79.95 and free shipping. A few things I noticed right off the bat. The stain that was used was not wiped off correctly and in a lot of spots it covers the purfling.  The bridge is extremely thick and is too high. The nut is also too high and the string spacins is not even.  The sound post looks to be in the right spot but it is too long and too tight in the violin.  This is evident fron the f hole not being flush.  I plan on repairng these items, except the finish and seeing how it sounds then putting on better strings and again hearing the change. Photos to follow.

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Dis the shop advise that it wasn't a perfect specimen when they advertised the Sale price?

If not, it's lucky you are a capable guy Kevin.f I bought a violin without being told all those 

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Imperfections oops, I'm still havin g problems making and editing posts. I keep being asked if I want to copy and open JavaScript .

Lucky I'm a Limey and mostfor the things i say make no sense anyhow! Hahag 

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Here's something for Denny

 

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sounds like its coming from an oboeThe G 

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Would thinning the bridge automatically reduce the height and keep the leglengths the same?

Or are the legs too high as well?

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The height of the bridge has to come down fron the top and then the entire thickness has to be less. The G sounds like that due to the sound post being too tight and the E very weak because of the sound post.  As tension is taken offf the treble side it will improve the E and mellow out the G.

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Hell, thats mild compared to all that was wrong with the CVA-600 Im returning and it was $400  

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Barry said
Hell, thats mild compared to all that was wrong with the CVA-600 Im returning and it was $400  

What all was wrong?

 

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Fingerboard has a distinct seperation near the heel, maybe 1 & a half inches long. In time Im sure it would have came off. also it appears they cut the neck wrong at that point and inserted a shim to make up the difference, The soundpost where it sits on the back plate had either glue or stain, not sure, like it was glued in place. pegs were not fitted right at all, barely in the hole on the opposing side. end pin stuck out so far and the hole so large I feared it would fly out under tension.  Large amounts of glue on the heel of the neck. Grit in the neck finish. finger prints in the body finish as if touched wet. shoddy purfuling. Huge glob of finish on the scroll about the size of a pea.  Only one bow when there was supposed to be two. Fine tuners hard to turn. Lots of varnish beads around the ribs.  Case was full of shavings and some as large as a thumbnail.

My CVA-400 at $159 not only sounds better, but the craftmanship and finish is nicer. There was so much I may have missed listing something.

 

oh, cork sticking out and misaligned under chin rest and the chinrest itself was  scratched up like it was old. I doubt the fingerboard was ebony as brown showed through the "paint" in 3 or 4 places. I knew Id forgot a couple

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Thanks for the sound sample!

ill run a trace and save it. When youre done with your repairs post another and we can see how much you improved it!

i expect youll make a 100% improvement on it.

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@Barry: Wow, that's bad.  My MV400 was the same way with the pegs, but they hold okay, and I figure it leaves more wood for future reamings.  Only thing I really don't like is that it is about 100 grams too heavy.  I made a new bridge and shortened the sound post.  But I only paid $80.

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@ Kevin - Don't assume that the post is too long, as I'm sure you know. Move it around and see how tight it is.
The top could have reshaped and risen where the post is. This is common and usually takes time to occur but with these cheap instruments the wood might not have been dry enough when they made it and fitted the sound-post.

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I haven't made very many post's in a while. I was called to work at my old job for about a week and haven't been keeping track of what's going on here.

@ Kevin,,, I'm really surprised at the purchase of the CVN-200 and you with your knowlege about violin's for accepting it in the received condition that it's in. Sale or no sale, if it was me (but it's not) it would be back in the mail to K&K Music, pronto.

There is no reason that you should have to make/fix all the wrong's with it and I know you are totally capable of doing them. I would have paid a little extra money to get a good one, not a second quality instrument. They''re just trying to clean out their poor quality inventory for the year by running a great sounding sale. As Terry said, did they advertise second quality condition ?

$20.00 more would have gotten one from Fiddlershop.

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What you don't understand is that this violin first was a gift from my daughter and second she bought it knowing I would fix it up and give it away.  The violin is playable but I want to bring it up to be as good of a violin as it can be before donating it.

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Now, I got it. You didn't say that in the beginning post.

 

Sorry, Kev.

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KevinM you are a decent and good role model of generosity. The people who are regulars on this venue of ideas, learning and friendship astonish me on each visit. Hugs to you all. smile

 

I look forward to seeing/hearing your final efforts before you confer the little treasure into an otherwise musically lacking home.

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Looking forward to seeing what you can manage with it, Kevin.  Your projects are always fascinating to follow.

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Kevin, just fyi, here's the trace of your CVN200 before.

The top end looks really nice, very smooth, but the bass response has a lot of P & V's.

You know where to work on it... look forward to the next sample.

 

 

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