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After 7 months, here's how I sound
Just a quick sample of my Fiddle playing
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EricBluegrassFiddle
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Just to clarify: I am studying to be an aspiring Bluegrass and Old-Time fiddler and not a classical violinist.

I play a few snippets of:

"Cotton Eye'd Joe" ( in "a" )

"Uncle Pen" ( in "a" )

"Sally Goodin" ( in "a" )

and some licks in "a" "b" and Bflat, Chubby Wise style bluesy Bluegrass licks that I'm studying. I still have a long way to go but I think I'm on my way! It's a hard road but I get a little better each day I think. I am also studying online, private lessons with a professional Bluegrass fiddler in North Carolina. Also, I'm playing my new Gliga Genial-1 Violin, definately a step-up from my old VSO. Also, I appologize for the awful lighting as I live in Argentina. If you watched this....thanks

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwAWcjxfZwY

" I just keep telling myself...."It's all about becoming one with your bow"

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Very well played, especially for 7 months. Very cool. The thumb under the frog is also a Suzuki thing for the very small beginners. They usually change over to the thumb under the stick later. :)
I've never tried under the frog but I've been playing too long to try something new.
You get a badge for the post in any case. :)

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Right on.. sounds good!  I am a bit jealous!!

Thanks for posting.  Love to see and hear that awesome progress!!!

7th month!!!! right on!

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Thanks for the encouragement from both of you. Fiddlerman, I would doubt that changing your bowing technique or trying "anything new" would have much affect on your playing technique or style anways, since you are are an accomplsihed professional on the Violin.

Either way, I can play with both holds, and yes, you're right that the TUF hold is espoused by the "Suzuki Method" bow hold for beginners. Usually this is until they can loosen up the wrist and fingers enough to have a good degree of flexibility, then switch to what's know as "the advanced hold" or "TUS" at least this is what I've read.

However us fiddlers being funny creatures: Alot of very professional well known Fiddlers have used this hold. Actually in Texas the "TUF" bow hold is also known as "The Contest Fiddlers" bow hold as well. I'm not sure how familiar either of you are with the Bluegrass genre but famous fiddlers such as: Chubby Wise, Byron Berline, Kenny Baker, Johnny Gimble, Mark O'Conner and some others use this bow hold pretty exclusively.

One of the reasons is that the added thumb under the frog adds alot of power and volume to the fiddling. So, from what I've read: lot's of fiddlers will use TUF for breakdowns and very fast instrumentals, and then switch to TUS when they want a bit softer, sweeter, less gritty tone for waltz's or ballads etc.. I can see some pros and cons with both. Some folks say you can't do much stacatto bowing with TUF, that may be so but Fiddling doesn't use alot of that anyways.

I don't find "any" restriction to wrist or finger flexibility whatsoever to be quite honest with TUF nor TUS. That's one of my "primary" focuses when I practice: That my bowing wrist and fingers flex and are smooth. I always practice in front of a mirror and also have a pencil I take with me everywhere to practice "colle motions" to help. I'm not to the degree of flexibility in my wrist and fingers yet that I want to, but I'm on my way....and eventually, I'll get there! Even so, it's pretty loose. I'm perfectly 100% convinced that this is one of the most imp aspects of bowing and if one wants to have good tone and bow a straight bow, wrist and finger flexibility and suppleness is an absolute must.....without it, forget it!

" I just keep telling myself...."It's all about becoming one with your bow"

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You're super cool for 7 months of playing!! Thanks for the vid!

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Thank you! Believe it or not, I've practiced my butt off just to get to this point lol.

" I just keep telling myself...."It's all about becoming one with your bow"

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Great job Eric.  Very nice. 

A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. ~Herm Albright

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Well done Eric - great progress!  

At only 7 months, I call that true dedication !thumbs-upthumbs-upthumbs-up

I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes.  

Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)

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Thank you, I appreciate all of the encouragement! I'll post more of these as I make some. I always videotape at the end of each practice what I work on and then kind of evaluate it and try to see things I should work on. From time to time I'll post some things.

" I just keep telling myself...."It's all about becoming one with your bow"

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Well done Eric,

I like a good fiddle sound

 

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@EricBluegrassFiddle  I do believe you when you say you have practiced a lot.  It certainly shows.   Kuddos...and it lends power to the statement... "practice practice practice... "  You are the example of what "to do".

Right on.

Toni

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Nice fiddle sound, Eric! I've been listening to Uncle Pen a lot lately and really like it. Can't believe you've been playing for only seven months.

I've played around with the TUF bowhold, too. It definitely seems to give me a more powerful sound but limits wrist flexibility a little. After watching your video, I think I'll give it another try next time I practice.

When the work's all done and the sun's settin' low,

I pull out my fiddle and I rosin up the bow.

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I personally don't find it to limit wrist or finger flexibility any more or less than the usual TUS hold, but everyones fingers and hands are shaped differently so maybe with some folks it does.

My hands are big and my fingers are long so, in some ways I feel the bow is a bit more stable in my hand this way. My bow grip is pretty loose though and if I do use TUF, sometimes my thumb has a tendency to slide over the silver ring and on to the hair a bit.

For that version of "Uncle Pen" I am actually using the simpler shuffle, the one some fiddlers call the "Nashville" or "simple" shuffle. It's a "quarter and 2 eigth notes" and the most common shuffle. This shuffle is the simple: 1, 1and, 1, 1and, 1, 1and etc etc,

Or Duh-du-du Duh-du-du etc etc..

However, the advanced version calls for what some folks call a "Georgia Shuffle" in the fiddle world. You either up or down bow a slurred triplet, followed by a quick down or up bow, its tricky. Its supposed to be played fairly fast with the accent on the quarter. Its a slurred triplet followed by a quick quarter.

basically its (1-1-1) 1 (1-1-1) 1  the three slurred notes can be either up bowed or down bowed so it gives you a (Duh-uh-uh) Duh (Duh-uh-uh) Duh! Almost a train like kinda sound LOL...sorry for the silly crude description of the shuffle bowing.

To play Uncle Pen the harder way requires that Ga shuffle..which I can do in a single string but add notes or a scale too it and it gets difficult!

" I just keep telling myself...."It's all about becoming one with your bow"

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You sound amazing for have only played for 7 months.

I have played for almost 4 years, have a Gliga Gems 1 and you sound better than me!!!

You must practice loads every day.

Have you done any grades yet?

Playing a piece is easy... Playing it right is not...

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happyjet said
You sound amazing for have only played for 7 months.

I have played for almost 4 years, have a Gliga Gems 1 and you sound better than me!!!

You must practice loads every day.

Have you done any grades yet?

No, I dont do any grades or anything as I am not practicing or studying classical, strictly Bluegrass fiddle. My teacher is a professional fiddler from North Carolina who studied under a few fiddlers that are wwll known, notably "Bobby Hicks" is one of them.

Anyways hes teaching me the fundamentals of Bluegrass from the 40s, the early stuff. Lots of Blues, swing stuff, pentatonics scales, major and minors etc. Hes working on giving me a foundation that I cán later build on. I have a skype lesson with him once every 2 weeks.

I practice and hour to hour snd a half during the week every day, Thursdays off. Then on weekends I'll do 2 hours in the morning until midday, and another hour in the evening.

" I just keep telling myself...."It's all about becoming one with your bow"

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Holy Crap!  like everyone else, I'm amazed at your abilities after such a short time. Bluegrass isn't my thing but I do enjoy listening to it on occasion. WoW is all I can say.

Whatever you're doing, keep a doin' it! Rock on dancingdevil-violinviolin-studentbanana

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Thanks...I had my lesson online just yesterday.

My instructor is giving me the basics of traditional Bluegrass so I will have a solid foundation to build upon, then, in the future I can develop my own style.

I am learning the fiddle style of a famous Bluegrass fiddler from the 40's, the late great "Chubby Wise" of Lake City Fl. When it comes to just starting out, alot of Bluegrass fiddle professors will have their students cut their teeth on his material.

" I just keep telling myself...."It's all about becoming one with your bow"

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Very nice!!
 
Would you say that your mandolin playing has helped your fiddle playing?  How many years did you play mandolin?  
 
Reason I am asking - I have a friend who has played mandolin for a couple of years and she says playing the fiddle is just too difficult.  And I wonder would playing mandolin pump up my fiddlin'?
 
Thanks for the mention of Bobby Hicks.  I found a video.
 

I am so new to bluegrass I am just now learning about all these great fiddlers. Thomasson was my most recent discovery.  

 
Oh wait, I need to make a topic about all great bluegrass fiddlers!!!

Violinist start date -  May 2013  

Fiddler start date - May 2014

FIDDLE- Gift from a dear friend. A 1930-40 german copy, of a french copy of a Stradivarius.  BOW - $50 carbon fiber. Strings - Dominants with E Pirastro Gold string.

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Great stuff. :)

Thanks for the links.

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but the one who needs the least."

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Nice video.

:)

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