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Elfentanz
Dance of the Elves
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Well, some years back I recorded this on my old analogue cassette 4-track.

 

Elfentanz. Dance of the Elves. Not Dance of the Elephants :)

 

I re-recorded it about 2 years ago on a Yamaha SV-200 electric violin.

 

Just wondered which one you think is best, and why? Thanks!

 

(Apologies for my piano playing. Maybe I should apply to http://www.handslikehammers.com LOL )

 

http://worldfiddlemusic.com/gu.....entanz.mp3

 

http://worldfiddlemusic.com/gu.....entanz.mp3

 

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I learn Elfentanz right now for the New year's concert!

Can You come here and play instead of me? 1st-place

facepalm I wish i could play it THAT way!

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ok, after hearing you play, I determined I make a far better lumberjack then I do a violinist. I wonder if Stihl or Husqvarna make good bows lumpy-2134

 

Nice WF.

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Worldfiddler said
Well, some years back I recorded this on my old analogue cassette 4-track.

 

Elfentanz. Dance of the Elves. Not Dance of the Elephants :)

 

I re-recorded it about 2 years ago on a Yamaha SV-200 electric violin.

 

Just wondered which one you think is best, and why? Thanks!

 

(Apologies for my piano playing. Maybe I should apply to http://www.handslikehammers.com LOL )

 

http://worldfiddlemusic.com/gu.....entanz.mp3

 

http://worldfiddlemusic.com/gu.....entanz.mp3

 

Mr Jim dancing

WOW, Mr Jim, these are so beautiful. I'm listening to it with my jaw dropping.

This is the first time I've heard it and it's so impressive (I would need to google about the piece to know more) . I've listened to and learned many things from your other instruction videos but this is quite a performance.

I like the first one for its expressiveness, emotion and dynamics. The second one is just as well performed and the accompanied piano is better.

Thank you for sharing, Mr Jim

Best regards,

Robert

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Worldfiddler said 
Just wondered which one you think is best, and why? Thanks!

I haven't heard this piece before.  If I may say so, it is something like stunning.  If anybody had put this on a 78 record in 1915, I expect it would have been a sensation.  I like the acoustic one (first one) better because the violin is more prominent, and that makes it more engaging.  I guess it's because of the way they are mixed.  Although I am probably not a worthy judge, to my ear your intonation is about perfect.  Not sure, but there may be some recording artifacts in the first one though.  Anyway, very presentable and impressive. Sometime I might try this piece, simplified, without tremolo.

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Wow, Jim.. I'm impressed.  I thought it was "Flight of the Bumble Bee" at first. I had a different conception of "The Dance of The Elve's" song.

I liked both version's actually.

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Worldfiddler said 
Just wondered which one you think is best, and why? Thanks!

 Sometime I might try this piece, simplified, without tremolo.

That's too funny, RU. Without tremolo.  rofl

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That's too funny, RU. Without tremolo.  rofl

I don't get it.  What is so funny?

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I meant it in a comedic way. You won't use tremolo / vibrato, they are too easy? to do,  is what I meant.

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Fiddlestix said
I meant it in a comedic way. You won't use tremolo / vibrato, they are too easy? to do,  is what I meant.

I did not mention vibrato.  I don't think I heard a note that was long enough for vibrato.  Of course 'to do'.  Of course I was implying that removing the tremolo would make the piece easier.

So I still don't get it. 

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Hey, to all you guys, thanks for the comments and feedback!

 

It's interesting to know what others think.

 

These two recordings were done a long time apart. From memory, the first analogue one I did around 1998, on a Yamaha MT3X 4-track cassette recorder, and the digital one around 2008.

 

I smiled at the "tremolo" thing :)

 

Just to clarify, without requoting all the other posters who mentioned it, I played Elfentanz as it was written, and I learned it entirely from the sheet music, without ever having heard it played. I heard it played for the first time, this year, on Youtube.

 

This tune is normally taught "as is" - in other words, with "tremolo" bowing. It's not considered to be an advanced piece as such, as it's all in 1st position, but sometimes it is taught without tremolo bowing at first, just a single note per bow.

 

This is helpful for learning the tune, and getting the left hand to do what it is meant to.

 

When this has been mastered, it's now time to "double-up" on each note, whilst maintaining the same tempo as you would with single-note bowing.

 

So, it's really more of a "bowing" thing than anything else. 

 

Mr Jim  dancing

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Worldfiddler said
 

I smiled at the "tremolo" thing :)

This tune is normally taught "as is"

 

Which means no refund, no warranty even with different bowing pattern, right?

 just a single note per bow.

This is helpful for learning the tune, and getting the left hand to do what it is meant to.

Thank you for your detail explanation, Mr Jim.

Best regards,

Robert

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Worldfiddler said
... it's all in 1st position...

and 3rd.

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Does anybody really use the upper fingerings?duncecap Did You use it, Mr. Jim?surprised

It's possible if one have Paganini's hands LOL! C with 4th finger in 1st pos duncecapdazedfainting-1344 

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Depending on the situation I could easily prefer the upper fingering. Why shift if you don't have to? Whether or not I would stay in first and extend the 4th finger would depend on what comes afterwards. If I need to be up in third position for something else.
Actually the best fingering for this is 2nd position.

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"Depending on the situation I could easily prefer the upper fingering. Why shift if you don't have to? Whether or not I would stay in first and extend the 4th finger would depend on what comes afterwards. If I need to be up in third position for something else.
Actually the best fingering for this is 2nd position.
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Actually, I forgot to reply, and I forgot about the 'out-of-1st-position' bit. Silly boy ...
I just use 2nd position, as Fiddlerman said, as it's a simple semitone shift with 1st finger from F# to G.

So, the fingering on the above notation would be 1 2-3 4 3-2 .

My own personal rule for using the extended 4th finger (actually sometimes marked as '5' in notation) is this : if there is only one occurrence, eg 4-5, then I use the 4th finger extension. If it would require 4-5-4, I change position instead. There is a danger of whining if you don't :)

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OMG!!!

That's for pros? I've tried but no chance i can do it!!! IIIrd pos for MW only. LOL!

I'm not that cool to use IInd posfacepalm

Thanks for explanations!dancing I'll try =)

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