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chorlick
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Hi all new member here, only been playing a few weeks. Im having an issue with my bow skipping across the strings so made a video of how i hold the bow as someone mentioned this could be the root cause. Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks. 

 

http://youtu.be/6-4c-Pz9Fiw

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Someone suggested, in the chat box, that you are double jointed and that may be your issue.cow-fingerscrossed

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By the way..GLAD TO HAVE YA HERE ON FIDDLERMAN!!!  bananabananabananabanana

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Wish I could help you chorlick, but I'm working on my bow hold as well.

As gkeese said, 'welcome!' banana

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looked like you had a death grip on that bow... your fingers were turning colors! lol

remember to relax and let your mind teach your fingers what to do to achieve the required direction of the bow across the area between the bridge and fingerboard.

Trying to concentrate on your fingers and grip doesn't let your eye see where the bow should go.

Like batting a baseball... you don't watch the grip or the bat, you watch the ball and let your body do what it has to do to achieve the result. The required motion is to run the bow parallel to the bridge and in the center section of that area between the bridge and fingerboard.

Maybe a vid of you actually playing will help to more define any areas of correction by anyone else that might see something.thumbs-up

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Watch fiddlermans video.  As Denny said you have a death grip on the bow. Your fingers are all straight and tense. Curve your fingers and bring them together.

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I'm glad both videos were posted here!  Chorlick, you have thumbs like mine!  Very long and they have the ability to lock in-ward!  

That brings me to my question.  What's the best way to position your thumb in a bow hold?  

I noticed in the FM video, Pierre has his thumb in an outward curved position (forming that C shape with his hand).  I am able to do that as well, but notice that I will slip the opposite way (much like chorlick's thumb in his video) due to the length/double jointedness of my thumb.

Usually, when my thumb locks inward, my pinky lifts off of the bow and the forefinger picks up the slack in balancing.  When that does happen, I do get a bit of bouncing.  

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There are different bow hold, Pierre is showing one, but there are others and the index up the bow with fingers a bit more spread is one of them and actually a popular on, so Chor hold is fine, but I agree on the relaxing. Google bow hold it's crazy to see how many there are!

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Ya know, bow holds should be like shoe sizing!  

You put your hand on one of those measuring things then match it to the perfect bow hold!  rofl

.........wait, I think we're on a roll in "product development!"  dancing  Let's see, Violin Air Fresheners, Violin Sunblock and now a Bow Hold Measuring Tool!!!  birthday_balloonclapbanana

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Hey EJ: what about an automatic intonation corrector attachment? facepalm

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Actually they already exist that's why EJ did not mention it  blink check out the tuners you can clip on the scroll!

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I was thinking of something that would automatically put your fingers on the right spot no matter how fast you play. smile

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robotic fiddle gloves! EJ start on the schematics :p

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Chris the number one thing I noticed is that you should have your pinky on the top of the bow. Also your hand is spread too far apart, close your fingers a little and relax.cheers

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Springer is right and a good trick to have a relaxed bow hold is to make a bunny with your hand! You know when you were a kid and making shadows on the walls? Then just slip the stick, your pinky will rest curved on the top of the stick, the second and third are buddies sticking together on the frog  and the index will find it's natural place. Keep the thumb curved also to make sure it's flexible, rest it in the little nook between frog and leather strip.

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MikeV said
Hey EJ: what about an automatic intonation corrector attachment? facepalm

BaaaHaaaaa! I think learning will be quite boring with that thing, rofl!

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Thank you everyone for your replies. Last night i spent some time researching bow holds and other techniques as well as looking up the clothespin exercise. 

 

Someone asked for a video of me playing ill try and post one tonight, im a little camera shy actually so im a bit hesitant but im definitely looking for more insight. Thanks again everyone! FM FTW!

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Yes that's what the videos are for, advices! We often overlook something or are not aware of a position or whatnot. It's not recitals, just practice 🙂

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No need to be bashful here, Chorlick! This place is crawling with fellow beginners. We are all working on something. Just relax and go with the flow and the music will follow [eventually].

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Whenever you are ready, go ahead and post a video of your playing. It can be surprising the things you don't even realize you are doing until you record it, and the folks on here can point out stuff that you wouldn't even realize is negatively affecting your playing.

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Plus, we all enjoy watching each other's videos.

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plus... we've already laughed at everyone else. cheersroflol

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