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Ive got a couple well tuned pandora radio stations,, love to sit on the couch and noodle my way thru songs, eventually you have stuff worked up and you will be able to find your way thru songs that you have never heard before, those are skills that books and sheetmusic cannot teach, must be learned the old fashioned way...

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I also get stuff from wherever I can, church hymnals, library books, digging thru piles of records at flea markets is not beneath me either..lolol.. You very much become a listener of the music....

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Crap! I want to learn how to do that!!!

Can you guys give instruction/tips on how to start?

So let's say we pick a song on YouTube, like a Black Keys bluesy song.  How do we tell the key that it's in (that they're playing), is it just by ear?  Then I guess once we can determine the key, we'll know the rest of the notes in that key, but my teacher talks about playing 5ths or 6ths to accompany another player,,, is it the same thing?

What tips/advice/instruction can you give those of us who feel we're ready to do that?

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You know, I wrote my post before listening to your vid Barry, because I thought it was the Christmas clip you did the other day that I already watched.

Okay, so in this vid you've done a great job of describing/demonstrating how to "improvise" a song that you already know,,, and I do get that,,, but my post had to do with jamming on a new song that you don't know.  How do you just jump into a song that someone else is playing that you don't already know and accompany what they're playing?

Any ideas?

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Nice post Barry. Thanks for sharing this with us. Seems like you know how to have fun. Just Do It!!! Right?

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ftufc said
You know, I wrote my post before listening to your vid Barry, because I thought it was the Christmas clip you did the other day that I already watched.

Okay, so in this vid you've done a great job of describing/demonstrating how to "improvise" a song that you already know,,, and I do get that,,, but my post had to do with jamming on a new song that you don't know.  How do you just jump into a song that someone else is playing that you don't already know and accompany what they're playing?

Any ideas?

To sort of tag along with what Barry said, when you practice just "doing it" (improvising I mean) You'll get into the habit of forming interval patterns in your subconscious thoughts about scales and their different modes. Watch some of fiddlerman's blues series and you'll see what I mean when he mentions a "Secret weapon pattern."

(Theres actually a lot of different patterns that just naturally sound good together transposed to any key!)

Back when I played trombone, I improvised every day since I was in a jazz group with several other musicians that jammed together frequently, and you'll be surprised what you can commit to muscle memory if you practice scales often. It had gotten to the point that it didn't matter what key I was in, I didn't even subconsciously think about it or the name of the key.. it just sort of comes out!

It's similar to developing my sight reading ability, but with ears and no music. In sight reading's case it will get to the point where you don't even think about the names of notes or the logistics of the instrument, it will just automatically happen when you look at music, even for the first time.

 

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Thanks Barry and Mike!  Those are some useful tips.  I think I'm going to start using "OldTimeFiddleJam" and trying to jam with a few rudimentary tunes and work my way up.

Learning to jam, and just have fun playing with other musicians is really why I started this whole adventure, so, now that I have a year of reasonable experience under my belt, and am very comfortable with my instrument and bow, now just might be the time to start practicing this.

I'm going to find time to use OTFJ so I can participate in the FM Old Time Fiddle Contest!

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Dude your awesome Barry! I'm inspired :-) I like classical and fiddlin 'round. I aspire to be as good as yo one day! Keep it up.

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Barry, did you make the guitar accompaniment tracks or is that something one can get somewhere? 

Thanks.

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