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We're usually an electric power trio, electric bass and distorted fiddle, but unlike most punk oriented bands we have no problems rapeing the listener without any electric amplification. The bass player must learn to strike harder on the acoustic guitar however.

http://www.youtube.com/channel.....ture=watch

The semi-instrumental Hagfish may be one of the stupidest song ever made.

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But Hagfish has that 3 part vocal harmony bit going for it.  Besides, if commercial concerns go through with the idea of marketing hagfish slime as a replacement/extender for egg whites, you may have small children singing this song at the breakfast table.  LOL

I thought "Evil" and "Great Machine" came out particularly good.

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I was indeed surprised about Evil. That kind of over-simple one-chord stuff require so much of the performer. They depend very much on findig a groove and sticking to it. It happens all the time, the song sound okay on the acoustic guitar at home but lousy with the band in the rehearsal. If the others don't see potential in it, pracicing only becomes very boring. Then suddenly after practicing at home it works in the rehearsal too. Had it the same way with Fairy tales, I thought it might become an extra song if I'd need to fill out the repertoire with one and a half extra minute, but it's become a favorite of ours.

Great machine is the opposite, it plays itself as soon as one has managed to play in that tempo.

Personally I think the fiddle drags the rest of the performance down. The bowing has improved a lot but intonation is a horror and there's a lot of bow noise thanks to my violent right hand technique. That can actually be heard with some real fiddlers too who were raised in a time without amplification, like Dennis McGee. But modern listeners are probably not very forgiving about that kind of errors.

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Well, as the artist, you have a different perspective, of course, and notice different things.  But as a listener just hearing the overall sound, I thought the fiddle sound works quite well in the mix.  The overall sound is distinctive, and recognizable.  The bow noise, to my ears, works as a part of it.. Not against it.

Your playing definitely has gotten a bit better, but it still has that punk edge going and I think that overall, Ugly Barrow is def developing it's sound and groove.  I like it.  It's coming along good.  It's got some power, some anger, some humour.

Both fiddle and guitar were maybe a little low in the acoustic mix, for my tastes, but mix is a very subjective thing.  Depending on how you had the session mic-ed, it may have just been that you and the guitarist were facing away from the mic much of the time.

"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman

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Having unamplified string instruments be heard over drums is always a problem.

Guitar is the main problem even if the fiddle doesn't really match drum volume. If the guitar is played harder, the fiddle won't appear so weak. Me I can play the rythm guitar that way but most people can't and I don't really know how to teach them... Just strike harder, I think, and get the strokes right upon the kick or a nano-second before, not after.

Having the drummer hold back can never be a permanent solution. Brushes maybe, but it's the kick more than anything else drowning the guitar.

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I don't think having the drummer hold back is hardly ever the best solution.  Most of them, if they have to play quiet and reserved, they lose all the *ss in their playing. 

I agree that some guitar players and bass players just don't seem to be able to get the idea of playing with enough "authority".  They can be on the beat and doing the right things, but they end up just sort of riding the sound instead of driving it.  

"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman

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For bassplayers and rythm guitarists it's usually a good thing learning to play on your own tapping the foot. Learn to find the right expression without support from drums.

Playing a melody instrument, the best practicing for me has been jamming alone with a drummer. When there's no bass register and very little mid, bad timing becomes very appearant. Funny thing is, as soon as the timing works, I can turn the distortion and the lows down - without the overall sound feeling weak. I'd actually say, the only thing that's evolved my playing has been those jams alone with a drummer. Before that part works I'll be extremely dependant on the bass player or rythm guitarist, but when I'm synchronised with the drummer, nothing can make things fall apart completely.

When the unit falls apart, the highs sound very thin and the lack of lows becomes very obvious. The lows work as glue, it seems. Things can go wrong without falling apart, but the result will still be somewhat powerless.

Dennis McGee performed solo with his fiddle and occupied 200 dancers. When one manages that, there's probably a solid ground to build melodic playing on.

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The thing that I found interesting about Hag Fish was the bow grip and angle. Most unusual.

I may have to give it a try :)

Seen it all. Done it all. Can't remember most of dunno ..... What was I saying???? facepalm

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I've held the bow that way all the years I've been playing fiddle. The advantage is that I get a very firm grip even with a relaxed hand. 

I looked at pictures trying to figure out whom I'd be like, and Canray Fontenot held that way and I believe Leo Soileau did too. Dennis McGee had a similar grip but on the stick rather than the frog. In many ways I'd prefer that, but the bow becomes slightly shorter.

 

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