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in the throngs of a death cry, but alas still a butterfly
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Ripton
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OK, that file didn't work. I'll have to get my notebook out of the luggage and convert the file before I can submit. Sorry all, looks like another day before I have this up and I can;t figure out how to delete the thread. 

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You need to have made a certain number ( I think it is 50 ) of posts before you can edit or delete messages - once you hit the magic number a couple of extra buttons will appear -buttons.JPG

 ... at least that's what I sort of recall....

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Fiddlerman
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January 18, 2015 - 12:47 pm
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I took away the first post for you but the file was only 28k.

Means that you never uploaded the real thing. Perhaps just an icon?

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Fiddlerman

Thanks, Lets see if this one works better now that I found Squared 5..

 

 SwallowTail, a fifth lower

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I've been working on this tune for about a year. Not a daily piece, but thought I'd use it as a benchmark for my practice progression. Why does it sound so perfect while I'm playing, but listening to the recording I can hear all the intonation errors. 

Thanks for any critic that can be offered. 

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@Ripton - I think your're doing pretty well.     I have no specific advice/critique to offer really - I don't know enough yet to give meaningful feedback on technique.

I'm only really responding to comment on the difference between "what you hear as you are playing" and what you "hear when you listen to your recording".  I find this as well - not always - but often.   For my part, this is difficult to explain - but I'll try - so here I go...  what I find is this -

When I have "fewer things to concentrate on getting right" I am more aware of intonation issues whilst playing.  What I'm trying to say is that IF I can play the tune itself, in "automatic mode" (and play blindfold, or eyes closed) - that is without actually thinking about the fingering and what note to play next, or the bow position - THEN it is one less thing to concentrate on - AND because of that - I become more aware of intonation issues and can make pretty quick corrections - almost to the point of such "corrections" being fast enough to be un-noticeable.   And that is quite "strange" ( well, I find it strange ).

If I'm playing something I'm not yet 100% familiar with - I'll be "searching ahead" in my mind for the next note, trying to keep in time, trying to get the bow action correct, worrying about expression, and everything else.  The end result is that "there's just too much going on in my head" and if I have an intonation issue - I probably don't notice it unless I play the recording back. ( And of course, then I usually see all the other issues I'm having - which is a good thing ! )

However - directly relating to the intonation thing - "playing the perfect note" on a fretless (or indeed fretted, since it can and will change with pressure and position of the finger between frets and your personal "action") is generally never perfect. (Vibrato hides a lot !)  It just depends "how much it was out by" and how "sensitive the listener's ears are to "expected" pitch"....

Listening again to your piece, OK, in a couple of places, sure - but I wouldn't beat yourself about the head about it - end result - I thought it was pretty good.thumbs-upthumbs-upthumbs-upthumbs-up and thanks for the post !

EDIT : Oh I meant to say - I've recently started on STJ as well,  so that also was my interest in your post.   I'll post my attempt sometime soon - but I'll keep it clear of your own thread here (unless you want to make it an unofficial STJ party - hmmm I should check the various threads - I'm sure there was a Swallowtail group project, or members-project, or party, or something...  whatever... I'll find somewhere to post it..)

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January 20, 2015 - 5:36 pm
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That worked. LOL
Good work. Thanks for the post!

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Hey Ripton.. I got to hear it also. Very nice.  I need so badly to play at that speed.  I keep rushing it.

Good Job!!!! thumbs-up

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@Ripton Very nice!  Great tune!!

@coolpinkone.  While I was first learning Eighth of January I made the comment about how slowly I play at the jams I attend.  Jam Teach said, " DO NOT worry about the speed.  I will show you why."  He proceeded to play Eight of January slowly and it was BEAUTIFUL!!  

That completely changed my attitude about playing with speed.  It is NOT always necessary.  YAY!!  speed is no longer something I measure my ability as a fiddler.  That was in itself a confidence builder. 

He also mentioned that what shows people you are a good fiddler is keeping consistent with the timing in each song.  LOL!  Now to put that advice into practice!!

I had been trying to learn all the fast bluegrass songs, but now am adding waltzes to what I am memorizing!!

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@Schaick Thank you for that.

And you know when I play this with my violin buddy Taryn, she always plays at a speed that I can follow and an even tempo.  (I have that recorded so I need to play along with the recording.) Thanks for the reminder.

Currently I start it out at the tempo I want, and by the end of the 2nd repeat of the A part.. I am zooming.. when I get to the B part... some crazed Irish speed fiddler personality comes out in me and I think I am a fiddlin' fool.... LOL... while its fun.. it's a Disaster.  LOL

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Very nice,. Playing at a slower speed you really have to think about everything. All the mechanics, the positions, the bow draw and speed. Even the placement of the bow between the bridge and finger board. Very nicely done.

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Thanks all. I do enjoy this piece. My instructor has me working on this as I tend to gravitate towards the slower, waltz like pieces. As I practice I certainly hope to improve my speed. FM has asked about sharing the sheet music. I have it in Alto Clef and will gladly do so, as soon as I can figure out how to post a document attachment. 

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