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theme for caprice 24 by paganini :P
ok, my first video! yay! oh, actually, not yay!
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ok, this is the uggliest version of paganini's caprice no. 24....and it's only the theme!!!!

i've procrastinated the piece after a week of practicing....some parts are hard....actually, everything is hard :(  

but please, don't throw that tomatoes yet! i'm only a month old beginner, give me years and i'll finish it :)   (yes that's "years" with an "s" :P ) and i'm currently practicing paganini's cantabile...yay!

here's the vid(note; side effects on watching are: bloody ear, popping eyes, nausea, and howling like a dog in pain(yikes) etc. and ad infinitum....:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....mw3KSBLwQo

farewell, and thanks for all the fish :P

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Why don't you give up on that and post something you may be able to play, Twinkle, Twinkle would be a good start. We don't even know it's you in the vid.

You're putting the cart in front of the horse.  Start at the beginning of the book.

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wow fiddlestix. you really are a hater(you've even wanted me to leave this forum just because i'm having fun chatting with fellow fiddlers and teaching a friend on how to play the violin? a friend?!!), you know......."give up"??? it's like saying "stop dreaming of becoming a doctor, just be  mortician!".....and you don't trust that that's me on the video??? what the bloody hell(ier stradivarius :P ) is wrong with you???!!! it took me hours to re-take this one!!!! and that's yer reply??!! this "friendly" forum has one flaw!!!! if you were a friendly fellow, you shouldn't do that, you should encourage more!!! twinkle twinkle???!!!!! you are like..what?!!! i'm ashamed of you! "start from the beginning of the book" that's yer freaking philosophy? you know my philosophy? it is "if you want to be successful, do the craziest thing! and don't believe crazy old guys" that's my philosophy....

 

you know...i feel sorry for you

 

and i'm sorry for saying those things...but you really hated me!!

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and just so you know...i've posted a vid because you've pushed me! you've wanted to see me play...and that's yer reply??!! facepalm

i'm being very very friendly to you, and that's your reply?.....

(lol, it didn't really took me hours for this...this was my 2nd take :P )

oh, btw, with yer philosophy, you might want to read this if you have time:

http://fiddlerman.com/setting-goals/

it says:

Do you believe in yourself?

-oh yes, that's why i started from hard pieces, and end up mastering them...

Is there anything that leads you to believe that you can’t be great?

-oh, yes...and that is you, fiddlestix!

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To begin with Oz...I'm not a hater and I don't hate you and I don't want you to leave this forum. You say you have been playing for only one month, you should start at the beginning instead of trying to play Paganini stuff. Personally I don't think you are ready for that yet, although we'd all love to be able to do that.

I'm sorry if you took offence to what I said, I didn't mean to sound cruel or mean, I would love to see you progress from the beginning. I think anyone in this forum would say the same thing. When you start school, you don't start in High School and then go to College, you start in 1st grade and slowly progress from there. If you read a book, you don't start at The End and work back to the beginning. You are young, you have plenty of time to learn.

I wish you all the luck in the world.   crossedfingersthumbs-up

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Hey Oz, I think Fiddlestix had good intentions and didn't, in any way want to put you down. No-one on this web-site is like that. Sometimes it takes a while to gauge other people, just like learning a violin.
I'd say, if you like the piece, keep practicing it.
But also have patience with yourself.
Learn as a beginner, but keep trying the piece you like. It will be a great way for you to measure your improvement.

As long as we all remember, everyone on this site is here you improve and help others improve, Our differences are what make us all stronger as a group.
Now I'm off to listen to your video........

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Not bad tbh for one who has been playing for a month and a bit.
Good finger work and left hand flexibility. How do you sound playing some of Barry's fiddle tunes?

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and to my surprise I still have most of it left!

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Let's back up just a little bit.
I LOVE the ambition and I don't think you should give it up.
I think you should combine your ambitions of difficult music with learning scales, etudes and pieces that you can come closer to perfecting.
Do half a session of technique and the next half of music you dream of being able to play.
Also, I think that you are very talented and look forward to hearing your progress in the future.
I also think that you misread fiddlestix.
Shake hands and have fun guys smile

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but the one who needs the least."

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Did I hear "pieces I mastered"?  How about showing one of those?

At this point I only am sure that you have moxie.  dazed

(and a violin)

When you come to a fork in the road, take it.

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In the world of classical violin Paganini's caprices are way down the road for a violinist to learn. I have a CD of Julia Fisher performing them but thats all I do is listen, Im not even close to ready to try them.

I dont get the impression any one is "hating". I think its just good advice. Ive been playing 4 years and I KNOW Im not ready for them, too many other technical issues need to be worked on first.

There is no shame in playing twinkle, youre playing Mozart

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OK, here's my take on it.

 

Like many classical pieces, there are "reduced" or "cut-down" versions. Actually, that Caprice #24 has been done so many times, not only by violinists and fiddlers, but by harpist and brass players too. I have a "reel" version of it as well.

 

As originally written, it's a piece which has some serious technical demands (fingering, bowing, position-changing, double-stops etc).

 

As a reduced version, as done in the video, it is well within the capabitiles of a learning violinist. It will still need to stay "reduced" until more technique is gained.

 

When I get the time, I'll show you my version of it, which really is not a lot different to this - and does not require advanced technique.

 

It's important to remember that as a reduced version, it's not really fair to try to compare it to the original.

 

Mr Jim   dancing

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@Terry and FiddlerMan, thanks :)

@Oliver, i'll try...as long as no one's judging my work(that's why i didn't even wanted to post videos in the first place...)

@Worldfiddler, i would love to hear yers :) .....

and finally......@Fiddlestix, I'm very sorry that i've said those words to you....

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And I myself am sorry that I offended you. It is "water under the bridge now". This place is for fun and good thing's being accomplished.

 

We need to have peace here.       violin-1267

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WOW... I won't judge your abilty or passion...yet.

What I got from the vid was this...

 

You are very passionate about this type of music... classical in nature.. difficult at best to do with accurate training and tons of practice. I am fond of classical but have set my sights on much slower sad tunes that are easier to master before moving on to faster stuff.

Your fingering is awesome! No really... it was... for as long as you've been dragging that bow you did really well... for a first timer.1st-place

I was told learning vibrato at 3 months was ... well... we won't go into that... I continued to do what Fiddlerman said, I had a piece I was passionate about learning and although I don't read music I was able to read lips, err... read fingertips and copy it note for note... I listened and copied and tried to develop my style to match that of the artist.  It was VERY difficult but I managed after playing it a 100 times over and over listening and memorizing the note structure. The tune was Over The Rainbow... LOL not something like you're doing. More power to ya brother...cheers

My vibrato is getting much better but I broke the rules and instead of waiting until I had played a year or so, I started when my fingers told me they want to start. I still do warmup scales and I'm currently working with my partner on a very special piece that we hope to perform live in person together later in the sunmmer or early fall. It's certainly NOT as hard as your ambitious project. (keep in mind, I still haven't learned twinkle twinkle yet.!!! Don't tell anyone, they'll laugh at me)

Now, the bad news... although you did very well for a beginner... remember this:

I found out (from personal experience) that memorizing the notes is only the first half of playing the piece...(probably more like 30%) the second half is learning how to play the bow! Yes, the strings don't make the music... the bow does and when you get it figured out... your left hand will then know what your right hand is doing.

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@Fiddlestix, i'm truly sorry, peace :)

@cdennyb, thank you very much :D , i don't think that my fingering is great, since my intonation is not that great as well, i'm practicing vibrato as well, and i have manage to add vibrato on some of my practices(i don't even know if it is a correct vibrato, and it's only the finger vibrato....wrist vibrato is very hard), oh, and yeh, i would practice my bowing as well, i'm not even sure if my bow hold is correct ( i just copied it from pictures :P ) anyways, thanks :)

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The description under the video:

please don't criticize my work....

Ok. No critique.

But without a constructive criticism the progress could be slower. And that's the point actually to show the video, listen to advices and fix the problem.

Pointing out the problem is critique (in a narrow meaning). If You don't want criticism -> You believe You don't have any problem (or You know everything about the problem You may have). Good point. =)

So: No problem = no advice. 

Good ambitions, i'm agreed thumbs-up

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You must be a teenager. Even more than your playing, I would probably critique your attitude. I think I'm in a good position to do so because 15 years ago, when I was first learning guitar, I was very arrogant as well. I didn't listen to the advice of more experienced players because I was too ignorant to realize the value of their wisdom. Because of that, I have poor techniques that I have practiced for years... to the point that they're very limiting to my playing and hard to fix.

What kind of a reaction were you expecting when you posted the video? No matter what, you need to be honest with your own assessment of your skill. Sometimes that's hard to do without some third party comments. If your technique is wrong and you don't realize it, wouldn't it be better to listen to some advice rather than get 15 years down the road and get stuck?

I'm not picking on you, just being practical. You can meet any goal you set for yourself so long as you go about it intelligently. Keep playing!

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I think youve made some great points Jason. Age can be a factor in excepting constructive criticism , but of course not always. The opinions of others can be a great tool in becoming a better musician provided its given with care.

Quite often we can over look or even completely ignore an issue that others can point out for us, but I think its important that when critique is offered it should come with advice on solutions to the issue and not just pointing the issue out.

Now im not saying this is or isnt the case here . We are all here to help and support each other and that should always be first and foremost.

There is no shame in playing twinkle, youre playing Mozart

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ok, ok,you guys can critisize my work, but....please don't say stuff luck..."quit" or "give up" or "play something easier"........

 

thanks guys :)

just that, playing something like "twinkle twinkle little star" is like...not a thing for me, even in playing the piano, i didn't like to play those stuff, i.e "happy birthday".....as they say in the robotics forum....."lol, they expect a robot monkey maker to play twinkle twinkle??"

well, thanks again :)

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Ok, Oz,,,,, I forgot you are into robotic's,,,,, Have you seen this guy / thing ?

 

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