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Mad_Wed said
WoW! Cool!

Thanks for explanation, RosinedUp!

But as i told a piece can start and end on dominant or even subdominant (? do You use those terms ?). So how did You know that A is the tonic? Could a piece be at rest when it would reach dominant? confusedduncecap

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I don't usually use the terms like 'subdominant' and 'dominant', but it seems that they are just synonyms for the numbers of the scale degrees, in this case 'fourth' and 'fifth'.

I guess it is not always very clear which pitch is the tonic. I look for the pitches that have long notes, the first note (ignoring pickup notes), and the last note, and for the pitch that seems to give resolution, rest, peace, calm, certainty, closure, etc.   Some music (or is it noise?) is not going to have any of that.  So I guess it is subjective.

The main ideas are that: 1) the key signature determines which notes are in the scale, 2) the tonic is the starting and ending note of the scale, and 3) the interval---from the major name of the key signature up to the tonic---determines the mode, as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.....cale#Modes

So the dominant scale degree (the fifth) is by definition different from the tonic (unison).

See also the clock model in my post of October 4, 2012 regarding the Dorian scale:

https://fiddlerman.com/forum/l.....ian-scale/

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Mad_Wed said 
But as i told a piece can start and end on dominant or even subdominant

I think you are saying that you have been told that a piece can start or end on dominant or subdominant.

Maybe whoever said that was referring to a piece as if it were written in a major scale whereas another interpretation would be that it was written in Lydian or Mixolydian.

I don't know everything about this in a practical way, but once you know the key signature of the piece and decide what is the tonic, then the scale and mode are determined.

Anybody reading this who disagrees or can shed more light, please join in.

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Fiddlerman said
Good job RosinedUp thumbs-up

Thanks, Maestro.violin-student

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RosinedUp said

Mad_Wed said 
But as i told a piece can start and end on dominant or even subdominant

I think you are saying that you have been told that a piece can start or end on dominant or subdominant.

Yep! That's right: ...as i was/have been told! Pardon my English! facepalm =)

 

Thanks for the explanations, RosinedUp!

Things are so complicated! Can i just play violin and have no idea about solfeggio? LOL! Just joking! I'll try to remember it next time =)

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