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Daniel's practice takes
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Well, not sure if this is where to put a weekly (more or less) recording or not.  If there's a better place, hopefully FM will move it. 

I have now played violin for a whole three weeks (as of this past Wednesday, anyway), and since I put up a quick take in the "introduce yourself' forum to show what my electric violin sounds like, and since some folks seem to put up a weekly sample.. Well, why not?  (other than that it provides ample evidence of how much work I still need to do o get this instrument actually sounding good..LOL)

I've been trying something different lately, using multitrack recording.  I lay down a backing track for the piece I'm working on, and then practice against the backing track so I can work on timing, intonation and trying to get some feel into the piece, all at once.  In some ways it is more enjoyable than playing the bits all by themselves.. in other ways it is a bit more difficult. 

Disclaimer:  I am a ham-handed noob who has been playing for a whole three weeks and my only violin instruction has been the internet.  You could end up grimacing while listening to this, and your face might freeze that way, just like they maybe told you back when you were a kid.

That out of the way, this is a version of an old classic, Mary Hamilton, that I have worked up with a bit of simple acoustic guitar as the accompaniment. 

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That was very good! Hard to believe it's only been 3 weeks 1st-place

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WOW very good, keep up the work and we'll be payong to hear you perform.

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Thank you!  You are both too kind.

Listening it through, I'm hearing that I should woodshed those transitions more.  Bowing is still a pretty alien concept for me, and spots where I'm trying to switch strings right at the beginning or end of a slur is about the worst.  Figuring out how to.. I don't know what it is called so I'll call it "phrase" with the bow, meaning figure out when to be going down or up and just when to change between the two.. that is being a bit of a headache.  My bow hand still gets way too tense and I have to keep relaxing my thumb back into a curve instead of locking it.

Anyway, Mary Hamilton is the latest addition to my "repertoire", this would be the third day for it.  On the bright side, it should only get better with more practice. LOL

"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman

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Cool! Can't say anything else surprised

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Thanks, Mad_Wed!

 

Since I guess the best idea is to post these to show progress, I suppose I should also post a quick take of the first verse of Whisky You're the Devil, since that is what I originally put up on the "introduce yourself" section. 

Not a great take, since I'm playing over hearing my son watching Blues Clues and making a good bit of noise about 6 ft away while I was recording.  Fortunately, since I use electric, you won't hear any of that though.

Anyway, this is with a week more practice than in the "introduce yourself", which was about one week on the particular piece.  I've also gone to doing it on the high strings because.. well, it is more fun there.  At first I played mostly on the low strings because until I got better rosin than came with the violin, the high strings sounded rather hissy and it was very hard to get a note from them.  With the new bow and some dark Hill rosin, they sing pretty well, and the piece feels like it has more of a fiddle "lilt" on the high strings.

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Really doesn't sounds like a beginner, you sure you never played before?

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Played guitar and bass for years, and oud a bit for a couple years, NV.  So my left hand can figure out what to do with a set of strings.  My right hand though, is only used to hitting them with a pick or plucking them, though, so it gets confused real easy and tends to lag behind the changes on my left hand badly.  As you can hear.

"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman

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Good job Daniel.

Keep it up 🙂

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Great! If You'll keep going like this - You gonna be really good in a very short time! dancingBravo! Fast learner here!

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Thanks FM and Mad_Wed.

To me it sounds still fairly crappy, but I know better than anyone else where all the mistakes are.

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Sounds great Daniel. Work on your timing and intonation though. I know I sound like a broken record when I give comments but months ago i got into a really bad moto accident but I am getting real close to playing more violin again and hope to get a lot of feedback both good and bad on my playing. Keep it up, your are doing great.

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Well, I don't know as it is possible to tell a beginner too many times to work on their intonation and timing.  It is just one of those things.  I am more used to fretted and non-bowed instruments, so I expect that adjustment will take some time.  But I'm having fun with it, and eventually I'll get better.  Thank you for the critique!

"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman

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I think intonation is one of those thing even violinists in master classes keep an ear on, but on a different level of course! I saw a few video of master classes and I heard nothing wrong but the teacher did lol. Daniel you said playing string instrument helps you with the fingering hand, you think the other way around is possible?

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There is one thing that helps intonation more than anything else in my opinion and that is the ability to recognize the fault. So whenever any of you practice a piece slowly, take the time to hear whether the note is off or not and if you hear that it is off, correct it, then play it over and over with the right tone.
EVERYONE plays out of tune and I mean EVERYONE. This is a fact.
Please don't get too discouraged by it and just shoot for constant improvement.

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I read just the other night that to hit every note on the violin perfectly, one would have to bring the fingers down with an accuracy of something like 1/30th of a millimeter.  The point was of course, that nobody does, at least not all the time.  And that what good players do is they correct that little bit up or down as necessary so fast that it is not noticeable.  Anyway, the intonation is just one of the interesting challenges of the instrument that will improve with a bit of time and work, like everything else.  Nothing to get discouraged over.

I feel recording practices and listening them through right after is good for hearing one's flaws.  (Umm.. then erase the recordings to get rid of the evidence.  LOL)

"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman

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Nobody does it hardly ever and there is no way the researcher could have made that determination without smokin' a lot of something

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(maybe we have a slipped decimal place ? )

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Yeah Oliver, I'd at least agree that writer (Carl Flesch-The Art of Violin Playing, page 8) at least spent some time writing that more sensible folks would have rather spent playing.

But his statement that "To play in tune, in terms of physics, is an impossibility." seems to agree with what I'm seeing said here. LOL

I must confess, I didn't read a lot of the sample of the book that was up on google books.  Let's say that while it did not exceed my understanding, it definitely exceeded my attention span?  But that particular bit and his explanation of how he came up with 1/30th of a millimeter caught my attention.

"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman

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This is why I say that everyone plays out of tune. smile
Don't get discouraged because our ear tolerates imperfections. The question is always, How Much?

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Oliver said
Nobody does it hardly ever and there is no way the researcher could have made that determination without smokin' a lot of something

rofl

(maybe we have a slipped decimal place ? )

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I agree Mr. O...hats_off

 

1mm=.0393" x 1/30 = .0393 x .0333 = .0013" (thirteen-ten thousandths of an inch) a piece of typing paper is usually about .003" to .005" thick.duncecap

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