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Introduction & Rondo Capriccioso
First three lines ...Tab and Sheet
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Howdy ,

Anyone interested ? Here's the first three lines I've been workin' on fer two months now

Yep , i'm that slow with much more work to be done before it sounds right i'm sure ...

Note that there is a D natural and D# together in the third measure of the second line ...bunny-headbang

Thought someone else might want to have some fun with this too ...

Any tips are welcome ....anything Pierre ?

I'm slow at playing by dots , thus the tab for quick reference ...meant to be used with sheet and listening to a recording fer timing and rythm , etc ..you know ..ear ...?

Have a great teacher to help me find my way but all tips , advise , what have you are sure to help at any rate ...violin-1267Have fun   Be happyIMG_2521.JPGImage Enlarger

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@Tucs: Was it your idea to want to learn this piece or, Ben's ?

I admire your perseverance on this one. I just watched Perlman play it.

It is a beautiful song and I wish you a whole lotta luck, Steve, keep at it.

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Ken.

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I am so happy to hear your progress and see your notes.  I might play around with it... I have my Thaxted to finalize...(seriously)...

I am practicing my Drunken Sailor... (hella fun!!!) Can't wait for the Pirate Day Party.

After that I have other tunes that I have been enjoying and wanting to get "pretty." Angel by Sarah Mac, Swan Lake, Fm's free sheet arrangement, and I have my fiddle stuff. Old Joe Clark and Angelina Baker.

I am trying to focus on the tunes from the Essentials one and two book, along with excercises.  Hoping that in 3-5 years.. maybe I could teach beginning violin. ??

But I am looking for some other songs.  I am usually pretty adventurous.. without a teacher on this one Tucs I don't know that I could pull it off. 

Keep up the good work. You are working on a masterpiece and you will be rewarded.

I am just in love with your dedication and effort on this one. I hope you keep posting and keep us all in the loop on this violin journey.  It is REALLY cool and very inspiring.

Cheers. Toni

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Hey Ken and Toni ,

Thanks fer yer input ....this tune was written by Camille Saint Saens ...i have vids of Izzak Stern and Janet Jensen playing it along with a short vid of Ben playing the first page or so ...

This was not Bens idea ...I got the sheet and saw i would need some help making sure i was calling out the notes correctly , etc ...and was lucky enough to be refered to Ben ...

Ben is a playing judge / judge at the VMAAI and a member of the Tucson Symphony Orchestra and knows this tune well ...I need all the help i can get ...as this tune was written for a vertuoso to show case his skills ...as i am not a virtuoso but am useing it to build skills ...hoping Ben can also get me past performance anxiety as time goes by ..Thanks fer yer encouragement violin-1267Have fun    Be happy

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Well.. I believe you can do it Tucs.  I am excited for you.  You certainly have a qualified instructor.  I think it is great that you are doing this piece and  showing how a newer violinist, with hard work and determination can play anything they really want to play. 

My favorite Saint-Saens is The Swan.  I would love to play that someday.  So many tunes that I want to play.  I would KILL to learn Clair De Lune (Debussy)... and  my ever growing obsession with some of the Bach Partita's.

cheers.

Toniafro

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Toni ,

Sounds like you have alot of HEART ....just need time to do everything we want to do ...

My teachers name is Ben Nisbet ,contact info    ben_nisbet@hotmail.com ...

He also has a string quartet so should be some vids on u tube if anyone is interested

Reach for the stars Toni ...i do ...a little star dust won't hurt anyone ...violin-1267Have fun     Be happy

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Hi Tucs

Go for it mate. I'd have trouble learning that one. 

It must be nice to have a teacher to help things along :)

I'd love to hear it some time.

Seen it all. Done it all. Can't remember most of dunno ..... What was I saying???? facepalm

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Hey Tucs,

Sorry I haven't replied sooner, had a busy weekend.

That's a pretty cool way to write the tabs, have never seen it done like that. However, I would say just be careful not to get too dependent on the tabs, you still need to learn to read music. :) Maybe you could try writing the finger numbers above the notes on the music?? I dunno, that's what I would do for tricky songs (especially higher up on the fingerboard). Just a thought. :)

Good on you for tackling this piece though. Keep up the good work!

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Hey Kiara ,

Thanks fer yer advice ..I agree ...one shouldn't be too dependent on tab ...it's just a learning tool meant to be used with the sheet ....I'm learning to read sheet as i go along ...I'm just slow at it ...too slow to play by dots but getting there ....if you think about it , i couldn't write the tab if i couldn't read the sheet , 'eh ?

Ben is helping me get a bit faster at playing / reading the sheet and am looking forward to a time when i can play by dots at a decent speed ...

I thought fer now , some of the members here that don't read sheet yet might like to see the tab and maybe try a bit of this tune themselves

Yep , i too sometimes write a fingering or so on the sheet . particularly if there is a choice of staying in first pos or going to third , etc ....

Thanks fer yer kind words and encouragement ....love the way you play ...violin-1267Have fun ...Be happy

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Tucs... Good job on learning to read the dots.  When I was learning I could not play as fast as I could read and my teacher had me mark the numbers for fingering on my paper.  As a matter of fact if I was struggling she would come over and mark it at the time I was playing..  It took me longer than normal/average  to read sheet music... I still am slow slow... Don't worry about how quickly you are learning it.  You are doing great... Learning... Putting yourself out here for us to enjoy.. It all takes courage and ice for our instrument.  Keep up the awesome good work.  Trust me, you are inspiring.

I am a late bloomer with all that started with me... I haven't ways done things in the same order, but I can tell you.  I  finding my own way .. And I am starting to yield some benefits.

Somedays I play stuff and I love it and I hear how pretty it sounds. Today I played Largo, from the New World Symphony, Devorak (sp?). I had some nice moments and felt good.  I made progress with Thaxted today.  That was exciting. :)

Talk soon!

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Hey Toni ,

You're too kind ...thank you ....however we learn , one important thing is that we are learning and seeking knowledge ...

Some folks may call tab a crutch ...that's fine ..i call it a tool ...a learning tool ...still i endevor to enhance my skills at learning sheet music and look forward to being able to play by dots fluently ...am enjoying the journey ...sounds like yer having fun too ...

When i figure out windows movie maker i will post a video playing this ...bad intonation and all the errors i'm sure to make ...I check my ego at the door ...so to speak ...

violin-1267Have fun     Be happy

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I like that thought Tucs.  Tab, or marking your paper, or anything  else people use to assist them to make beautiful music is NOT a crutch.  It is a tool.  

I read an article in the Strad Mag (facebook) the other day and it was pretty much against any kind of shoulder rest. While I wont argue a point on shoulder rests with "experts",  but  you and I know there are many ways to get a good result.  We are all different.  

After reading the article I went to my favorite musicians, the ones I want to sound like.. and voila, they all had a shoulder rests.  However, the article was pointing out the shoulder rest as a sound inhibitor. I have to say, if I play without a rest, I can hear a difference, maybe even a better different.   But for me, I can't seem to keep the violin in place well without a rest.

I am going to try to see if Pierre's Sponge set up will work for me since a lot of my clothing is slick, maybe I just need to  have something a bit grabby on me.  (I know I strayed off your topic) 

Good Point on crutch vs. tool.     As for checking ego at the door... Oh gosh, I have to do that too when I post for critique... mostly I have to "grow a pair" and listen to what people are saying, even if it is something I know and I am trying to do.  But I have to say the last few times I put something up, I found out some things on my playing and I have been working on the straight bowing and the flatter bowing.  I feel I am getting some results.

oh goodness.. ramble ramble...

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Sure. I love this piece and actually performed the solo part with the Gavleborg Symfoni Orchestra accompanying me about 23, 24 years ago.

First of all, 2, 0 instead of 4, 0 for a good reason. That slide is beautiful.
In the questioned measure, shift up to 3rd pos on the D (1st finger) as suggested in the sheet music, play the D# with the 2nd finger right up against the first and slide the 2nd to the E which will bring you right back to that 2, 0 from similar situations. :)
I would be happy to make a demo for our "Video Q&A" if you make a video with that question :)
Somehow the series didn't take off so well. Though we had 3 brave members make question videos, no more have come in.

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Hey Pierre ,

Thanks fer yer help and advice ...Ben is takin it easy on me fer now by allowing me to stay in first pos. but will require me to use more advanced methods as I get more comfortable ....he has demonstrated exactly what you are saying and played it that way when I recorded him for reference at home when practicing .

When i figure out how to use Windows Move Maker i'll post a vid of my progress or lack there of in Share and post a vid to Q & A so you can show everyone what's going on with this ..

In the meantime my pinky is getting a good workout , which ain't all bad as pinkies can seem to have a mind of their own sometimes ...bunny-headbang

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Sounds good :) Enjoy, it's a fantastic piece.

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Pierre.. so would you want more questions from the same people/person (me)..(for your Video  Q & A). I mean that is not ideal right?  ... but better than nothing right? Let me know. 

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You are right. Better than nothing. I am hoping I'll get more but in the meanwhile, I'll be taking our first real vacation in 3 years next week. We are going to Italy for 2 weeks. I'll be mostly offline besides the occasional FB posts... and completely free from work at that time. :)
Upon my arrival, I'll definitely want some Q&A's even from those who have already submitted them. Of course, if you have something that you truly want help with, by all means, go for it. I'm happy to help. I won't be picky until I get overwhelmed with questions....

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Wowsa.. Enjoy Italy and your break from work!  

Sounds like a plan.  Come on Fiddle Forum... let's get Pierre Bombarded with some Q & A. 

:)

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Thanks Toni. I'll enjoy Italy if I can relax :)
Right now it feels like I don't have time for the trip. :(

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