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Kevin M.
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Sounds like a great thing for the community orchestra.  Don't give up fiddling though.

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Barry!  Please share with us whatever you come across in your classical journey.  

If music be the food of love, play on;
Give me excess of it ..(William Shakespeare in Twelfth Night)

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Fiddlerman
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Great goals. Hope the community orchestra has a lot of cool cats that you will enjoy playing with.

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but the one who needs the least."

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Glad to see you back, Barry..... Pleeeeeeeeeese don't stop the fiddlin.   dancing

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Fiddlerman
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Lot's of great points Barry.

Thankfully, here most every member loves the violin and fiddle and does not criticize the different styles. I too am striving to learn more about the great country, old time, bluegrass and blues styles to be a more varied player. So much to learn and so little time to do it in.......

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Here's a couple bits I ran across on Paganini's violin, the Cannone. 

..the view of the bridge at about 4:30 seconds is interesting fro how it looks a bit different than modern ones.

 

http://www.paganini.comune.gen.....va2008.pdf

That pdf has a couple nice pics and also some measurements.   For an unusual feature of this violin, note the ivory nut visible in both the video and the pdf.

 

Basically fiddlep0rn, though a centerfold would have been nice.  LOL

"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman

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Glad, You're back, Barry! =) I was missing You! cheers


Fiddlerman said

Lot's of great points Barry.

Thankfully, here most every member loves the violin and fiddle and does not criticize the different styles. I too am striving to learn more about the great country, old time, bluegrass and blues styles to be a more varied player. So much to learn and so little time to do it in.......

True duncecapdroolingfacepalm

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Barry said
Thanks for posting Daniel !!! His bridge reminds me of a lot of old time fiddlers who flattened them out to make double stops easier.

I was thinking the same thing. Looks like a fiddler's bridge. smile

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There is a better pic of the "heartless" bridge at the bottom of this page (click on it for a big pic) . 

http://www.peter-sheppard-skae.....l-cannone/

Lots of interesting details about Paganini's playing style and also details about the peculiarities of the Cannon violin that are at least for now, more than a bit over my head.

 

But a thing I end up wondering is that with some people considering Paganini the greatest (or at least one of the greatest) violinist, why people haven't copied things like his setup.  Well, at least so far as it can be determined by the bits of gear like this bridge that were left after he died.

Like I am surprised that there aren't things like "Paganini style heartless bridges" available all over the place.  Anything that unusual, I would think people would want to try, at least people trying to play pieces he wrote.

Tuning also has changed since Paganini's time, with the ever continuing and questionable tendency to keep taking the pitch up higher.  That's not usually really good for instruments, to put more pounds of pressure on them.  But whatever.  I would think that it might make some of Paganini's pieces even more difficult to play on modern tuned instruments than they were when he wrote them.

"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman

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Barry, I was told some things that sounded very similar when after years of playing in rock/punk bands, I decided to take jazz combo in college.  I don't regret it, and I didn't start "jazzing up" regular band rehearsals or anything.  It didn't change anything I used to do, it just added some more options and helped break some ruts I'd gotten into.  But, although I enjoyed jazz combo as well, I don't feel it tremendously improved my playing or anything.  I got a bit of edge from doing it and had some fun and that was fine with me.

But what it boils down to is what you want for yourself as a musician.  What your friends feel you are good at or think you should do may be different than what you actually want to do.

If joining a local orchestra and giving it a try sounds fun or even just interesting to you, I think maybe you should go ahead and give it a try.  If you find out it is way too strict or whatever to be enjoyable for you, fine, then quit.  But that's quitting after trying something and deciding it's not your cup of tea.  You also might possibly find out it is fun and you may meet some great people.  I must confess I've never done it, so I don't know. 

Would it be particularly expensive or anything just to try it?

Now, "Don't try to be anyone but you." is some wise advice.  But do they actually know who you are better than you do?  Kind of a thin line between doing what you think would be good for you and doing what your friends think is good for you. 

In the end though, you are the only one that will actually end up making that decision.

I'm still too much of a noob to really understand the difference between fiddling and classical, other than repertoire.  I'm still just working on getting simple melodies smooth and right, which I figure will work for either.  LOL

"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman

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Aaaa! So nice! =) And unusual!! Classic bow hold surprised ! 

 I think You're doing great, Barry! thumbs-up

BRAVO!

/went to play the Can-Can drooling/

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Wow Barry, it seemed so strange to see you playing like that.  Great work with the new bow hold and the restraint you have not busting out into country.  I think speed up Can Can a little and use more bow on Ode to Joy.

 

You much better than I. Excellent at keeping tempo.

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Many great things here Barry.

I would like to see you work on right hand finger flexibility. Bending and straightening the fingers....Sort of like a brush for bow changes. I have a video of it somewhere on the site.

You wanted me to be tough so I'll give you a few things to think about.

First of all you need to really concentrate to hear the accompaniment to avoid your tendency to rush ever so slightly.

Great intonation 🙂

I would love to hear more dynamics in your performance. Begin by phrasing up (louder) as you play higher and down (softer) as you play lower.
Playing music is like drawing, adding dynamics and expressions is like adding color to your drawing. Pretend that the music is a language and you are speaking sentances. Maybe it's difficult to find the phrases in the easier pieces but that is what will make your performance more special.

I agree about speeding up Can Can but you can't very well do that using the playback tape though.

I don't think I need to assign anything too easy for you since you have great talent. Can you find and start working on the A minor Vivaldi Violin Concerto? Let me know if you want me to email it to you.

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Sounds good! Diversity can be a good thing. thumbs-up

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Actually yes.

This is played in the true baroque way which is true to the composer. Thanks for the post.

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Hear Hear Barry!

I've looked at some forums where people are ostracised for being 'violinists' or 'fiddlers', and it seems silly to me.  Maybe if I'd learned one style or other as a child I might also be of the same thought mode, but at my age, the rest of my life is too short to waste on negativity.

Good on you for trying something new, how could it possibly hurt?  Unless one of your 'friends' thinks less of you for it.

One question remains ... are the community orchestra worthy of you?

Keep it up, I absolutely enjoy watching you play.

If you think you can, or you think you can't, you're probably right.

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You are on the right track. And yes, back to first position for the next part.
Play shorter and lighter eighth notes and count how many there are in the beginning. Pick up with an up bow and use seperate bowing for now.

Keep up the good work 🙂

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Very good and interesting... I am so happy to get to share your journey!

Toni

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If you grow to dislike it then mabe consider not doing it. Why let other people tell you what you will like or not.bananabananabananabananabananadroolingdancingdancingdancingdancing

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You are right Barry. It can't hurt. Like you said, you will always play the fiddle.

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