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Scarborough Fair in A minor with backing track
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iBud
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Aloha everyone,

I have a Korg Kronos and decided to do a backing track for Scarborough Fair, one of my favorite tunes.  This is the first time I've done this, so please be gentle hahaha :D

This tune is not the same key as the one on Fiddlerman.com - it is in A minor.  I've included the sheet music as well.  I didn't give a "1..2...3..." so I included an intro.  Once you hear it, you'll figure that part out.

Please take a gander at this and let me know what y'all think.  I will use any and all suggestions/criticisms, etc...  I just figured that I should share my keyboard talents as well as what little violin talents I have.  Let me know if this is too fast.  I used 108bpm with the metronome in Logic.

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Ibud,

I like it gonna have to down load it and try it.

 

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Mark

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Ibud,

I like it gonna have to down load it and try it.

 

Thanks,

Mark

Aloha @Mark,

I'm glad you like it enough to download it :D  I'm just trying to give back to this community.  I wouldn't have a fiddle and be wanting to produce backing tracks if it weren't for this website.

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Aloha again everyone,

 

@Fiddlerman put up the sheet music for Scarborough Fair in the key of D minor.  Using Audacity, a most awesome audio app, I was able to take my original backing track and transpose it from A minor to D minor.  I added one additional file, also in D minor, but one octave lower.  I used legato strings for the bass part (80's power synth for the upper part) and it sounds really nice.  I really should've done that yesterday, but I got a little lazy (but don't repeat that :D).  I just verified the key with @Fiddlerman's violin tuning page.  I'm at work and can't try it out, but it should work out alright.  Let me know what y'all think.  I've attached the .mp3.

 

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I like it.  Kind of dark and "epic" feeling. 

Have you considered maybe making a take in Audacity where you use mostly the Dm track but blend in just a bit of the one an octave lower to get some of the "massive" feel without using enough low end to risk it being a bit muddy on some speakers/systems?

"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman

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DanielB said
I like it.  Kind of dark and "epic" feeling. 

Have you considered maybe making a take in Audacity where you use mostly the Dm track but blend in just a bit of the one an octave lower to get some of the "massive" feel without using enough low end to risk it being a bit muddy on some speakers/systems?

Aloha @DanielB,

This was my first attempt at this, so I wasn't thinking along those lines, yet.  I really do like the low end sound, especially as I used a strings voicing.  It sounds really nice.

If you're talking adding the low track throughout, but adjusting the volume so that it just kind of "peeks out", I can try that after I get home.   I can also play around with different dynamics.  The whole tune is piano, but I was considering mezzo forte (or better) for measures 5 through 12, then decreasing to piano for the final four measures.  What do you think?  Am I off on that and/or do you have any other suggestions?

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Aloha again @DanielB,

Here is my first attempt.  I added both tracks to an Audacity project, then added +3 dB to the lower track and voilá!  Let me know if this is what you meant.

Additionally, I found that I had screwed up the original lower octave track.  I'll include the corrected file with this post.  I had, for some reason, only lowered the pitch 10 semitones vice 12.  As I mentioned, I don't do this every day dazed

 

 

EDIT: I'll have to re-record it tonight.  I didn't like the way this one turned out.  I'll try it with the original bass line and one with just the lower octave bass line.  I'm not saying that this version is no good, but that I can probably make it sound even better.  I just wish I had my keyboard with me at work :D  

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Aloha again @DanielB,

I tried to send this reply earlier, but a problem occurred during the posting.  If this results in a double post, I apologize.

I got some disturbing results when I used Audacity to transpose the audio files.  There was a pretty evident warbling sound introduced, much more noticeable when the bass was dropped an octave.  To that end, I used Muscscore to re-score the piano portion in D minor and added @Fiddlerman's violin score.  I will re-record this tonight and will hopefully get a better result.  I've attached my latest score. 

EDIT: There is only one change.  The bass note in measure 17 should be an F, not an A.  I've attached the corrected copy (it's the second one).

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@iBud 

Hey ...cool stuff...... I play Scarborough... one of my favs... it was cool to hear the minor versions.. :)  

Keep up the good work.  (Finally got to listen today... my process for hearing files at work is different, than at home...)  

Anyway.. nice to see what everyone is working on.

Cheers. Toni

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Aloha @DanielB and @coolpinkone,

Thank you for your responses.  I really don't mind doing this, as it allows me to use my keyboard.  I also use these backing tracks when I practice.  As mentioned before, this is moderato, at 108bpm.  If that tempo needs adjusting, please let me know.  

I re-recorded both the upper and lower portions, having found slightly different voicing for both (the Kronos has tons and tons of different voices), this time in the key of D minor.  Audacity allowed me to lower the bass one octave and it sounds pretty good, at least to me.  That file is indicated by -8va in the name.  

 

 

Take a listen and let me know what y'all think.

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Cool! It sounds awesomely dark!! amuseamuseamuseamuseamuse

I'm gonna try it next week =)

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