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SUMMER PARTY - ITS THE FM SHEET MUSIC PARTY!!!!!
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Nice playing everybody! clap

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Keep up the great work Billy. :)
Thanks

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OK...keeping the party going here...I was happy to discover that Red Wing sheet music was tucked away in the lower left corner of the Beginner sheet music page. I thought I could knock that one out pretty quickly, either with my own backing track or the Old Time Jam Machine backing track.

Unfortunately, I ran into all kinds of technical challenges tonight (won't go into details) and couldn't do my usual production of mixing two separately recorded tracks. So, I just played the OTJM backing track through the speakers and played along. The result isn't great as the guitar part is too loud (might actually be a good thing) but it is what it is. And here it is:

https://youtu.be/Wtuf_cVnU5s

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Very nice performance of Red Wing!

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Oh that was so nice Diane!!!! Yahoo !! Loved it!  Thanks .... We are all rocking this party!!! 

 

@Fiddlerman .... What's a booster badge... Don't I need one of those?? ;) like referring to the site...?? Announcing on FB... Social media??? That's me.   Just curious... I feel the need to work on another badge since I will never get the DIY badge.exactlyfacepalmfacepalmexactly

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Eek! don't mind that last post, It didn't work, and I couldn't figure out how to totally delete it. 

Hopefully this turns out better. This is O God Beyond All Praising, transposed down a 5th so I had an excuse to play on the C-string of my new un-dead 5 stringer :D

https://youtu.be/9LYLS10DaHY

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BillyG
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@KindaScratchy - fine work - I thought the mix was fine - but I know it can all be so very subjective !   @FirstPancake - good work - and I was following your re-activation / re-incarnation of the "un-dead 5-stringer" thread - great work, on both counts !

Thank you both !

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@FirstPancake ,

Nice job with O God Beyond All Praising. It must be very satisfying to be able to play a tune on that violin after all your work on it.

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KindaScratchy
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Nice job, @FirstPancake ! I enjoyed it very much.

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Love it Diane and FirstPancake. Can you post your transposed version? 

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BillyG
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@KindaScratchy - well Diane - thank you for allowing me to duet with your piece - it's appreciated - here you go - I get into step with you after a couple of bars !!!!    And I suppose I could have done another take but the Hungarian Grand Prix was about to start - what the heck gotta get priorities right!   Anyway - as a joint effort I would give it about an 8/10 ( for my part ) - hope it doesn't detract too much from your original work.... always room for improvement - here you are you partying folks - yes it's - Diane and Bill "in concert" LOL - 

Thanks again, Diane !

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Thanks, I enjoyed that. Very nice!!

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Very nice, Bill! I loved the harmonies and fills that you added. It was so cool to see us playing together. The only thing better would if we could actually play together in person. Maybe someday.

cheers

This makes me think...I wonder what would happen if we tried to do a progressive group project, where people keep adding on to a video like you did. Hmmm.

dunno

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KindaScratchy said
... The only thing better would if we could actually play together in person. Maybe someday.   ..Bill says "exactly"

This makes me think...I wonder what would happen if we tried to do a progressive group project, where people keep adding on to a video like you did. Hmmm.

  Yup, that had crossed my mind as well Diane....  My thoughts on this were - firstly for only two players this is what I did

(1) Get player-one to create a "pretty darned good" version of some song, with a guitar/mandolin whatever etc backing track - and upload it to youtube - which is what you did.

(2)  The "second player" needs to download the first player's youtube video in mp4 format (plenty free web-based services for that), and use it to "play along to" - essentially, it becomes the reference or click. [ Alternatively, player-1 could email the file as an mp4 if this were planned in advance ]

(3) In (2) above - I said use it to play-along to - it was not quite that simple - it is better (but not essential) for player-two NOT to do a live mix with player-1 (and for multiple players, it would NEVER work as more and more got added - the mix-levels would just get screwed).  Instead, having downloaded the original, I did two things - (a) I split the audio from the video (more on that later), and (b) I played the player-1's mp4 on media-player, through headphones while I recorded a separate video/audio against it - this keeps what is essentially the click-track from being re-recorded and live-mixed with player-2 (as I say, might just about be acceptable for only two players, pointless for "several")

(4) In my video editor, I now have two complete but-unmixed videos - which are (in terms of "where they start in time" completely out of synch).  So, I take my video (player-2) and split the audio from it, just as I did with the original player-1's.

(5) I now have two, entirely separate audio ( .wav ) files.  This COULD be done in the video editor - but - mine is not all that powerful - so I take the two audio files into Audacity, and I line them up there.  Also, in Audacity, I perform the final audio-mix to the mixed-levels I feel are "OK".  That, apart from the video, should be the final combined sound of both players.

(6) I export the combined mix in Audacity to yet a new .wav file.

(7) Back to the video editor - I mute both the original player's and my own audio.  I import the Audacity-mixed audio.  If I have done it correctly it should immediately be in-synch with player-1's video - and it was - half-way there.... LOL

(8) The final few steps - I have to to synch-up player-2's video with player one (remember, player-2's original audio is muted - so effectively it is only the video being shifted).  Then, I have to manually both crop and visually re-position both player-1 and player-2's videos to get both players in the frame.

(9) Create the youtube flash video ( flv ) and upload it !

(10) Job done.   It took just over an hour of messing around, with a single "take" on my part ( had to watch the time - Grand Prix was coming on TV )

Right - that was for only two players ( yes.... exactly, think about the effort @Fiddlerman puts in to mix like up to 20 vids and 40 audio - but OK - he's got professional kit and he won't have some of the steps to do - he'll only have what should be a video with a properly timed audio to the original click track - so there's no messing about etc - but nonetheless.... that is probably a 24-hour task! Wouldn't surprise me ( Bill pictures Pierre, locked in his studio, cursing at the console and being fed the occasional black-coffee and donut !)

The only piece of "paid-for" licensed software I used was the NCH VideoPad video editor, the rest (the youtube uploader and Audacity are freebies)

This worked, simply because I could do it (and am crazy enough to bother!).  Were there to be additional contributors, it is beyond reasonable expectation for each player to undertake this type of thing - and indeed - for other reasons - it would be preferable for just one person to undertake the final mix.

I offer that service for, let's say up to four contributing players....  but definitely no more than that.

Were we to do this, I imagine it should work just like what we did - no specific "click" track - but an original, well produced video (most likely with a backing track) from the originator - OHHH yes - the initial player would need to separately send the original backing track to whoever was doing the final mix as well.  If players need sheet, then of course that could be made available, but I imagine most of the tunes we would choose from probably are so well known the sheet may not be needed.  The original player posts on youtube ( or emails .mp4s to all other players ).  All others then do a play-along using player-1's audio "in-ear" to keep it out of their recording - so it is effectively a "solo".  They then either dump it to youtube or mail the mp4 to the person doing the final mix.

We could certainly do that....  sounds fun.

WHAT have I let myself in-for here ?   Mehhhhh... all good !

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Yeah, @BillyG , I figured that it might be too technically complicated. Definitely more complicated than a group project in the sense that X number of players would have to be up to the task of downloading video, playing along and editing in their own performance. And, I suppose, that each iteration would lose some quality due to compression and variation in file formats, software, etc.

I just thought that it would be cool to see what each person would add to it, like what you did with the harmony and fills.

What we need is a hybrid of a group project and a virtual bluegrass jam where each player takes a solo and improvises as they see fit. Doesn't have to be bluegrass music, per se, just the format.

Maybe we would decide on a tune and a tempo, folks would record their own version then someone would edit it all together, giving each person a solo. Other instruments would be welcome.

Maybe we should take this discussion to a new thread so that we don't hijack Toni's party any further.

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Yes, Diane, that sounds like "a best of both worlds" solution.  And yes, we'll start a new thread on this - sorry @coolpinkone - LOL

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@FirstPancake I love your version of O God Beyond all Praising. Absolutely lovely!! thank you.

@KindaScratchy 

@BillyG   good job on the Duet.. I am tickled.  I love love love it.

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@coolpinkone - Yes, Oh Pink One - it was great fun to do, even although it was "sort of unplanned and just happened" - I'm only sorry now when I did a play-along to your Ashokan I left it as audio only...  I hadn't really thought about it at the time - I'll maybe re-visit it with your permission - ohhh - forget it - as I recall you only posted audio to SoundCloud anyway for that one... my mistake.. right... ignore me ! LOLOL - but if you ever do post an AF video, we can do the same... that would be pretty cool.

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Thank you for sharing, I enjoyed that duet! Well done thumbs-up

Looking forward to more.

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