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tamlin
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Stumbled across this list of old timey tunings from the online encyclopedia of tunings...

Fiddle tunings include:

a - d' - a' - e' ' (Old-Timey D Tuning)

a - e' - a' - e' ' (Cross Tuning, A tuning, Open A, High Bass, High Counter or High Tenor, for Breaking Up Christmas, Cluck Old Hen, Hangman's Reel, Horse and Buggy, and Ways of the World)

a - e' - a' - c# ' ' (A tuning, Black Mountain, Rag Tuning, Calico Tuning, Open A Tuning, or Drunken Hiccups Tuning)

a - e' - a' - d' ' (for Old Sledge, Silver Lake)

d - d' - a' - d' ' ("Dee-Dad", Dead Man's Tuning, D Tuning or Open D Tuning, for Bonaparte's Retreat)

e - d' - a' - e' ' (for Glory in the Meeting House)

e - e' - a' - e' ' (for Get up in the Cool)

f ' - c' - g' - d' ' (Cajun Tuning)

g - d' - a' - d' ' {"Gee-Dad" or G Tuning)

g - d' - a' - e' ' (Italian tuning or That 'Ole Eye-talian tuning - the standard violin tuning!)

g - d' - g' - b' (Open G Tuning)

g - d' - g' - d' ' (Sawmill Tuning)

Fiddle tunings are often also known by their four note names, so the standard is known as GDAE tuning, and so on.

http://tunings.pbworks.com/w/p.....%20tunings

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Interesting stuff. I have to ask, though (maybe everyone knows this but me), but what do the apostrophes designate?

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I think that'd be indicating how many octaves over middle C the note falls in.

Not being very familiar with violin/fiddle tunings much, I could be wrong on that though. 

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I'm not sure about the notation - am sure about what most of these sound like... to try it, just go with the one closest to where your string already is... GDGD => G stays same, D stays same, G = A minus one step, D = E minus one step

BTW, good to check manufacturers notes on strings and where they can be tuned.

One not listed that I really like is tune everything a half step down. Totally stole that from a guitar player, sound bluesy.

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tamlin said 
One not listed that I really like is tune everything a half step down. Totally stole that from a guitar player, sound bluesy.

I can related to it as mine sounds better (to my preference, may not be to others) tuning half step down.

I did some research and what I gathered was that in 17th century and the Baroque period (when violin maker perfect their technique and design which are still adhere today, mostly) the tuning system was fA=415Hz, exactly a half step down from fA=440Hz (widely accepted tuning standard today).

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, thank you.

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ratvn said

tamlin said 
One not listed that I really like is tune everything a half step down. Totally stole that from a guitar player, sound bluesy.

I can related to it as mine sounds better (to my preference, may not be to others) tuning half step down.

I did some research and what I gathered was that in 17th century and the Baroque period (when violin maker perfect their technique and design which are still adhere today, mostly) the tuning system was fA=415Hz, exactly a half step down from fA=440Hz (widely accepted tuning standard today).

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, thank you.

Best Regards, 

Robert

 

I would also suspect it would have something to do with them using exclusively gut strings, and tuning just a tiny bit lower would lessen the damage done to them... just awild azzz guess.

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I like tuning down a bit.  For guitar I may go as low as A430 and when playing in rock/metal bands, we often tuned to A435 (if not an entire half-step down for "slack tuning" as it is sometimes called).  It is definitely easier on strings and maybe a bit easier on the fingers and one gets a slightly warmer tone.

A432 is one of my current faves.

When talking about sound or posting a sound sample on this forum of something I'm playing, I usually use A440, mostly to avoid any confusion and the well-meaning lectures on the evils of doing anything at all different. LOL

A443 is the highest I have ever tuned, and that was strictly for the group project "Bile Them Cabbages Down".  I personally feel it is a needless strain on the instrument for the tiny bit more treble that a difference of 3 hz will give.  But for a group project, an hour or so in the tighter tuning shouldn't hurt anything, I guess.

But even 440 has only been a "standard" convention since the late 930s, and what long term effects it may have on prized antique instruments may not be obvious for a century or so, for all we know. 

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mess with AEAE occasionally... kinda fun, have one fiddle that it sounds good on, other 2 not so much.. funny the difference..

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Ha! Half step down... the dude I stole it from... surely stole it from Jimi Hendrix...

from eHow.com - How to Tune a Guitar Like Jimi Hendrix:

http://www.ehow.com/how_479860.....drix.html#

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fishnrodds said

mess with AEAE occasionally... kinda fun, have one fiddle that it sounds good on, other 2 not so much.. funny the difference..

What tunes did you test it on? Did you try Old Joe Clark in the AEAE??? What made it sound good - was it crisp and bright sounding?

(i can't tune my strings up per mfg suggestion)

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