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1 Luthier vs Workshop Fiddles
How much real difference?
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uncledave
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Assuming that the workers in a violin workshop know their business, how much real difference is there between a fiddle made by just one "master" luthier and a fiddle made by several workers under the master's supervision? I know there is a tremendous price difference. I'm wondering about the overall quality and sound.

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Great question  Dave ,

I think if you took the top off of a master 's violin , built by him alone , and checked plate thickness graduation with calipers you could expect to see time and effort well spent ....The master also gets the best aged highly figured woods from his shop ...folks pay extra for that as well as the masters time ..and name ..

Violins made by many workers under the masters eye may show a degree of variance per worker but i would expect they too would be of good workmanship or they wouldn't be employed there in the first place ...also may depend on how close an eye the master has time for and how much the employees are on their own ...

In the end the sound and playablility along with the finish determine whether it leaves the shop ...

I have seen and played a few violins built by respected Master builders and their shops and have found some from each that were great and not so great sounding ..along with building flaws that i wouldn't want as well ...

There are differences in how a scroll is carved that will show a proper masters hand even if it may not effect the tone ... F hole size and shape as well as location is another factor as well .

Looking for value down the line , a Masters name , built by him alone , may be needed ....but even that is no assurance  ...

It's well known that some original Strads don't sound all that great ....see my post on violin scans ...

Once in a while a 3/4 German no name violin will turn up that blows everything out of the water ....

So , tell me ...what's in yer wallet ?

violin-1267

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uncledave
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Thanks Tucson1. I suspected as much but wasn't sure. :)

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Fiddlerman
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July 31, 2014 - 1:52 pm
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Actually it depends very much on the workshop. I've played Luthier violins that sound fantastic and those that do not. There are actually workshops that sell 100's even 1000's of violins that produce top quality instruments. A bench violin is one made by the same maker from start to finish. These instruments are often better because the maker takes personal pride in the result every step of the way. However, I've played on "Factory" instruments that blow me away. Often, it's the luck of the draw with those instruments. This is why having a shop that will actually know enough to ship instruments back for lack of a great result is important. Many shops buy instruments and sell them without going through them at all.

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Interesting stuff. :)

I would love to visit a luthier shop someday.  I believe there are a couple in Sacramento.  I think I should plan a visit.  🙂

Vibrato Desperato.... Desperately seeking vibrato

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uncledave
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Fiddlerman said
Actually it depends very much on the workshop. I've played Luthier violins that sound fantastic and those that do not. There are actually workshops that sell 100's even 1000's of violins that produce top quality instruments. A bench violin is one made by the same maker from start to finish. These instruments are often better because the maker takes personal pride in the result every step of the way. However, I've played on "Factory" instruments that blow me away. Often, it's the luck of the draw with those instruments. This is why having a shop that will actually know enough to ship instruments back for lack of a great result is important. Many shops buy instruments and sell them without going through them at all.

Thanks Pierre. This is exactly the reason my next fiddle will be bought from you. :)

Dave

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Fiddlerman
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July 31, 2014 - 9:23 pm
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Thanks Dave :)

"The richest person is not the one who has the most,
but the one who needs the least."

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