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Definitely a 1/4 size. Remember how quickly kids grow.

Otherwise you would probably end up getting a new one in a few months.dazed

Good luck, KKmusicstore will probably make the change based on their error. They seem to be very cooperative and helpful.

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Thank you for your advice, I really appreciate it. I will return this one and order her a CVN-500 1/4 size (heh heh heh, I still have enough money on my gift card to do so), and if 1/4 is too big, we could still keep the rental one till she grows out of it.

 

I have contacted amazon.com's customer service to see how I could return it since I ordered it from them.

 

BTW, one of my bow for cvn 500 has three broken hair, is it still good? What should I do?

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You have plenty of hair to spare. It's still good. I break more than that every single day. Sometimes I can break that in one Bruckner Symphony, LOL. Luckily I have 4 great bows. Don't worry about the hairs.

Just keep on violin-studenting

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Thanks! I guess I could play till it only has one hair left?

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Good luck with that. LOL

I have played till there was only half the hair. Not the best feeling but it does work. By the time I only have half the hair, they are breaking off like crazy though.
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I have two other bows for Chinese string instruments, maybe I could use that, too, LOL

i have one black and one white. The white one came with the instrument, the black one was given to me as a bonus, I thought black looks cool so I picked black, later I learned the white ones were supposed to be better.

 

BTW, I burned the broken hair to see if it is real horse hair or synthetic, it smelled like real hair and after it got burnt, it turned into charcoal like powder, so I concluded that it is real horse tail hair. I did not test the cvn 100, though, since i will return it.

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Black horse hair is good too. Sometimes coarser and grips better. Many bass players use it to get the big thick strings going. I have used a higher quality black hair as well and enjoyed it very much. I'm back to white hair now though.

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I just noticed that my bow is crooked, is that going to affect anything?

 

After practicing for an hour or so this morning, my left shoulder joint started to feel sore, and my right elbow felt so, too, is this normal?

When I felt choking sound on the string, does this mean I need to put rosin on my bow hair?

 

After today's practice, I noticed that (under my ear) my E string is kind of strong and my A string is kind of weak, would it improve in the future, especially if I have the sound post adjusted?

The other thing with my cvn 500 is it doesn't stay in tune very well, every time I checked, one or all strings were off a little. What can I do? Also, when i tune by plucking the strings, i heard tinkling sound, is it because of the fine tuner?

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pky said:

I just noticed that my bow is crooked, is that going to affect anything?

In which direction is it crooked? This actually makes a difference. Most bows are crooked. If it is bowed to the left in the middle when looking from from the stick side rather than the hair then it is good.

After practicing for an hour or so this morning, my left shoulder joint started to feel sore, and my right elbow felt so, too, is this normal?

It's very normal for people who do too much too soon without concentrating on relaxing. Please make sure that you are not lifting your left shoulder. With your right elbow I am not sure what can be causing the pain. Have you ever had tennis elbow? Don't apply pressure with your arm so much but turn your hand in towards the violin for applying pressure. Don't apply too much just yet either. You need to build some muscles that you haven't used your whole life so take it easy and take a break if you start to feel any pain.

When I felt choking sound on the string, does this mean I need to put rosin on my bow hair?

The choking string means that you are either pressing too hard, pulling the bow too slowly or playing too close to the bridge.

After today's practice, I noticed that (under my ear) my E string is kind of strong and my A string is kind of weak, would it improve in the future, especially if I have the sound post adjusted?

Chances are that your violin will improve over time. They usually do for life. Violins just get better and better. It is however important that they are adjusted properly.

The other thing with my cvn 500 is it doesn't stay in tune very well, every time I checked, one or all strings were off a little. What can I do? Also, when i tune by plucking the strings, i heard tinkling sound, is it because of the fine tuner?

Steel strings usually don't stay in tune very well. When I recorded the Flight of the Bumblebee my violin was WAY out of tune after each part. The problem is that the strings are not flexible enough. However, synthetic core strings are quite a bit more expensive. Your violin should keep it's intonation better with time as the strings stretch too.

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Fiddlerman,

thank you so much for all your answers! I should really take it easy. I practice too much on twinkle twinkle to get my bowing clean:) and I do tend to lift my left shoulder a lot. My elbow is fine now after I stop playing.  I will keep practice to break it in:)violin-studentviolin-studentviolin-studentviolin-studentviolin-studentviolin-student

 

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In which direction is it crooked? This actually makes a difference. Most bows are crooked. If it is bowed to the left in the middle when looking from from the stick side rather than the hair then it is good.

The one with more hair is bent toward the hair when I held the bow with the stick on the right and the hair on the left. This is normal, right? When i held the bow with the stick right in front of me and the hair behind, the stick bent slightly to the right.

the bow with less hair, bent toward the hair when the hair is on the left. When held with stick in front of me and hair behind it, it begins to curve to the left from the top 1/3 and begins to curve back at the bottom 1/3. Therefore, i could see hair on the middle 1/3 on the right and no hair could be seen in that section on the left. Did I make it clear enough?

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pky said:

I just noticed that my bow is crooked, is that going to affect anything?

 

After practicing for an hour or so this morning, my left shoulder joint started to feel sore, and my right elbow felt so, too, is this normal?

When I felt choking sound on the string, does this mean I need to put rosin on my bow hair?

 

After today's practice, I noticed that (under my ear) my E string is kind of strong and my A string is kind of weak, would it improve in the future, especially if I have the sound post adjusted?

The other thing with my cvn 500 is it doesn't stay in tune very well, every time I checked, one or all strings were off a little. What can I do? Also, when i tune by plucking the strings, i heard tinkling sound, is it because of the fine tuner?

When my violin was brand new, it would not stay in tune very long, if your pegs turn really easy, make sure you push in toward the peg box while tuning. You may have to loosen the string and then push in while twisting the peg back and forth to make sure it is all the way in the peg box. There is nothing but friction holding the pegs. If they are very easy to turn, you will be out of tune quickly. The other thing making the violin go out of tune is brand new strings. They take a few days to stretch, after they stretch to the limit, it will stay much closer to tune, my E string (solid steel) usually stays put. Only off a few cents and easily fixed with a couple twists of the fine tuner.

 

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pky said:

The one with more hair is bent toward the hair when I held the bow with the stick on the right and the hair on the left. This is normal, right? When i held the bow with the stick right in front of me and the hair behind, the stick bent slightly to the right.

the bow with less hair, bent toward the hair when the hair is on the left. When held with stick in front of me and hair behind it, it begins to curve to the left from the top 1/3 and begins to curve back at the bottom 1/3. Therefore, i could see hair on the middle 1/3 on the right and no hair could be seen in that section on the left. Did I make it clear enough?

The bow with less hair seems great to me. The fact that you see a little hair on the right side when holding it with the hair away from you is good. This is what I prefer since I sometimes turn my bow slightly clockwise when playing and this puts the arch above the contact point.

I'm not sure that I understood the description of the bow with more hair. Is it bent like the other one or the opposite?

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So, below is whwat I understood from your answers, tell me if I'm wrong:

 

the one with less hair, when I held it with the stick facing me and the hair facing away from me, there's hair on the right of the stick but no hair on the right is great.

The one with more hair, when I held it with the stick facing me and the hair facing away from me, there's more hair on the left and less hair on the right is not as good.

 

Both sticks bent toward the hair at the center, when held with the sticks on my right and hair on my left, is normal.

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Correct.

How much is the one with more hair bent the wrong way? These things are actually quite normal and I wouldn't worry too much about it.
They can also be straightened out as well but cheap bows are not worth spending the money on. I actually used the cheap bows on most of my demos. Even the Flight of the Bumblebee.

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it has hair on both sides, more on the left, i would say about half of the hair on the left, and no more than a quarter of the hair on the right.

Btw, it didn't look like the one has less hair has 150 strands of hair on it like the customer service personnel said, but I will have to count them to prove it.

Another thing about the bow: I'm a short person, about 5' tall, with short arms. When I practice with the middle 1/3 section of the bow, i have no problem, when I play long strokes,like barry suggested, I felt like my right arm is not long enough (my left hand could not wrap the scroll totally, either, is the violin too big for me?) so i wonder if I should get a 3/4 bow so I could play more comfortably.

Please advice, thanks!

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I don't know if I should buy from kk or not after reading all the posts on the top. It sounds like it had a lot of problem even though it was from amazon.

The reason I don't want to buy from website is because I don't see it until I get it.

If it has a problem, just looking at that problem would hurt me enough but returning... would be another pain..

Is it safe to order from online?

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Most people from this site have been satisfied with KK. I don't like to make recommendations because I don't want responsibility in case something doesn't work out. However, the violins that they sent me have been well worth the money they cost. 

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pky said:

Btw, it didn't look like the one has less hair has 150 strands of hair on it like the customer service personnel said, but I will have to count them to prove it.

I for one would be curious to know how many hairs your bow with less hair has. Do you mind counting?

Another thing about the bow: I'm a short person, about 5' tall, with short arms. When I practice with the middle 1/3 section of the bow, i have no problem, when I play long strokes,like barry suggested, I felt like my right arm is not long enough (my left hand could not wrap the scroll totally, either, is the violin too big for me?) so i wonder if I should get a 3/4 bow so I could play more comfortably.

Please advice, thanks!

It would not benefit you to have a smaller bow. To get more length from your arms try moving the violin slightly more to the right (In front of you).
The violin might be slightly too long for you but you will get a much better sound from a full size violin than a 3/4 size.

 


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Thank you, Fiddlerman.

I'm curious, too, so I will try to count the strands of hair:)

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My mom recently bought me a shoulder rest and a new case for my violin.  We had a few questions about the shoulder rest, tuner and they got back to us the same day.  We were happy with the service and quality of the items we purchased.  We give KKMusic Store a thumbs up!

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