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OldOgre
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I know the bowing is terrible and needs work.

But can you tell the difference, violin-a and violin-b? and which sounds better?

I have notice since I started to record myself that there a something like a puck as I lift my fingers off the strings is this normal?

 

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I must've listened for 10 times to each, playing a little of one and then stopping and playing the other. I then decided I needed to hear it better so went to headphones...

I thought initially that Violin B was a better sounding one and you played it better but after about 6 times of hearing the same stanza of notes I have changed my thinking to the violin A because it has better resonance or at least the bow and your playing are more compatible currently. Perhaps it's the strings on it or maybe the fit of it to your body and arm motion.

I also "see" thru my ears that you are off slightly in your timing when doing a note change, as you are changing direction with the bow then. Perhaps you will find a better tone and continuation of sound if you try to incorporate two or possibly three notes into one nice bow stroke. Sometimes an abrupt bow change is required and I understand that, and I have to say you are well on your way to playing it very nicely.

Good job on both, and you will find, as I did over 4 yrs ago now when I started, that having more than one instrument will make you a better player in the long run because it forces you to make those subtle changes in your bowing to accomodate the instrument.

You will find that soon you will pick one as your favorite to play... and you will guard it, the strings you use, the bridge design and the rosin you wipe on your bow with your life! LoL

Once you find that sound you always wished to hear, you'll be there.

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thanks @cdennyb 

I know my playing is really bad, I was just trying to get an idea if it had been worth my upgrading.

I wont say yet which is which, but one is a $79.99 fiddle w/FM Strings and the Other is a $399.99 violin with Violino strings.

They are both played with the same bow. Both I have lightened the bridge on.

And I'm guessing that there is not a lot of difference that can be heard. That or it proves that I could even make a Strad sound bad...lol

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I'd say violin A was clearer and brighter, but also rather harsh.

Violin B had a warmer tone, but it got muddy on the low notes (the G string, I assume.)

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Violin a is better more singing of a sound and responds quicker.

Violin b sounds choked up.

Excuse the harshness. I would guess that the first violin(a) is the more valuable fiddle.

I would like to hear these with the same strings. It's just so unscientific to test with more than one variable changed (fiddle and string)

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Hello OldOgre,

I ran it through two systems

1)My DSD DAC + hybrid amp with modified tubes and Monitor Audio towers

2)My portable AE DAC with Sen head phones.

Both cases the A wins smile. A has a more over all warm tone with lots of overtones and a pleasing sound while B is little bit thin with more brightness (especially in higher strings and notes). Some may like B, but for me its definitely A.

A table, a chair, a glass of wine, a bowl of fruits, a music system with lots of records and my violin. What more I want to retire?

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oldOgre,

with my speakers A does sound more open, but live is the real test.

 

Mark 

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I think violin B may be the winner. Possibly more direct and open.

"The richest person is not the one who has the most,
but the one who needs the least."

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Let me start off by thanking everyone that took time to listen and give an opinion on these two violins.

I know that it is hard to give opinions based on such a short and badly played piece.

But it has helped me understand what I have been hearing under my own ear.

For those that are interested.

Violin A : Cecilio CVN-EAV cost $79.99

Violin B : Cecilio CVN-600 cost $399.99

The reason as I said at the start was to determine if my upgrade was a good idea.

As I couldn't tell a lot of difference myself, both instruments fit my needs a student violinist. and I will enjoy both for a long time.

I would have to agree with FM that B is a more open  and warmer of the two. I may also look into a different G string to get rid of the mudded tone that was brought up.

Again thanks for you time and effort in this.

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Interesting. I'm glad I chose the more expensive one as the better one. Nothing as depressing as spending more money and getting a worse product. LOL
In any case, not a bad sound for a 79.99 dollar instrument.

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I am late in Reading obviously. I couldn't tell the difference. I mean I was able to hear something but I could not say which I liked best. Your playing is coming along nicely. I suspect in the days to come, you will come up with a Favorite.

Congrats on your new violin. I hope we get to hear more. Are you working on any thing new?

Have a great and Happy week. Cheers Toni

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Thanks Toni.

I was a little disappointed in the  600. I myself couldn't hear $300 worth of difference. I was really glad to hear that it just wasn't my tin ears.

I'll work with it some more and maybe change the bridge out for a better one..

either a DesPieu or Stamm and see if that helps. But I think I'll be sticking mainly with the Soulless Wonder.. maybe it will open up with age.

Have a great week.. and remember practice , practice , practice...lol

P.S. Toni I stopped learning new tunes to work more on timing and bow control.

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After hearing the comments that the 600 sounded muddy or lacking. I started looking over more of the setup. I got out my tools (never a good thing) and started measuring, all the string lengths 328 nut to bridge and 54 bridge to tail. string height 2.5mm on the e and 4.5 on g were good.(measured at bottom of string)

Then I went to the sound post which according to seller was professionally set up. (snicker)

it was positioned right up against the bridge and out to the treble side. (no where near ideal) So I moved it 3mm back from the bridge and 3mm towards the bass bar, brightened the G and D right up. Guess I should have done that when I got it.

still looking into changing the bridge. Anyone have any comments on the Aubert self adjusting bridge?

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Ok here is a sound file of the 600 after the soundpost move.

 hope I don't break any ears...lol

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It's all so very subjective @OldOgre , and I could just be imagining it, but following the SP move it does (to me) sound slightly different, and better.   Hmmmm... how do I say this in lay-mans terminology - it sounds "cleaner" and a little more "lively".   But, as I say real difficult to describe.

Was just thinking, for tests like this, it may be worthwhile just bowing open strings G,D,A,E and then the same, a few tones higher say stopped on 3rd finger - obviously done both before and after the SP move.   That way we can actually "look" at the sound spectrum analyses (for instance with Audacity) - a bit like we did some good time back when @Ferret was messing with different bridges.  ( In that test you could see a drop-off in higher harmonics on one of the bridges - so it told us something - it could be bad - because they were not as present, or it could be good because the other one was far too shrill/bright - but it told us something - and it gives a clue to the listener as to what to try to pick out with the ear....  LOL )

I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes.  

Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)

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OldOgre said
still looking into changing the bridge. Anyone have any comments on the Aubert self adjusting bridge?  

I prefer shaping each bridge perfectly based on the violins top. The self adjusting bridges are also disconnected even though the wood is tight and pressed together by 25 lbs of pressure, I still think it affects the sound.

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