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Does it hurt a viola to tune it like a violin?
Can you treat a viola like a violin?
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I have managed to bump into a viola.  I had some exposure to the violin family many years ago and now that I actually have one in my hands, I want to learn how to play.  I was playing it for a few weeks tuned as a violin until I realized it was a viola.  

Now I am worried that tuning it like a violin will damage the neck and who knows what else.  I have tried tuning it like a viola and it sounds a bit better, but I suspect the strings are violin strings, they just don't perform as well as when they were tuned up like a violin.  It is much harder to get a note going with the bow, it sounds pretty scratchy, even if the tone is a little more appropriate.

This viola is apparently pretty old.  It says "Albert Krell, Cincinnati Ohio, 1867" inside and I figure I can sell it to get into a nice student violin.  But meanwhile, I'd like to keep playing.

So, is it bad for a viola to be tuned like a violin?  How can I tell if the strings are viola strings?

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February 16, 2014 - 4:37 pm
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It sounds as though the strings on the instrument were violin strings, otherwise they were pretty tough viola strings to not break. What size viola is it? If it's a bigger viola, chances are that they used a viola G, D and A and got a hold of a longer violin E string.
If this is the case, you won't damage the viola since the strings were designed to be tuned at those pitches and have the right amount of tension compared to if they had been over tightened by a fifth each.
If you video tape the instrument and pluck the strings for us we should be able to tell you. Also, if you take some photo's, there are colors on the string ends that would probably allow us to identify the type of string and which strings they are as well.

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In addition to what Fiddlerman already said, you might also want to measure the back of the instrument from the edge of the body by the neck to the edge of the body by the tailpiece and let us now how big an instrument we're talking about.

 

Also, I found this:

 

The Brompton’s Book of Violin & Bow Makers

Author: John Dilworth

KRELL, Albert Born 1832 Kelbra, Saxony Germany, died 1900 Cincinnati, Ohio USA. Emigrated to the USA 1855. Established in Cincinnati. Stradivari modjel. Over 75 instruments made using good locally grown maple and Canadian pine. Thick and chippy red or orange-brown varnish. Albert Krell / Maker of Cincinatti. Ohio / 1884

 

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AMERICAN MADE VIOLIN BY ALBERT KRELL----1887 This is a very nice old full size violin in very good condition. It was made by Albert Krell, Cincinnati, Ohio, in 1887. It is No. 274. It has a light amber finish in reasonably good condition with a few tiny nicks from wear. I purchased the violin from the estate of a concert player, well known in the area at the time. The violin was exhibited in competition at the Cincinnati Centennial Exposition and was awarded a gold medal for tone and workmanship. It has full corner blocks and linings and the back is two piece with very nice flaming. T are no visible cracks or loose joints or seams. A good solid instrument with a good tone. Several documents are included with the violin, including the original sales slip, with the cost cut out of the document and letters to Mr. R. O. Hawley (the well known violin collector). T is also a letter to Mr. Levi Scofield (buyer and father of the player) from Albert Krell listing many owners of his violins. It's a very good history of the violin. An Albert Krell violin sold at auction in 1995 for $2080.00.

 

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I've uploaded some images.  Are those violin strings?

What is the best way to sell something like this?  I like the way it sounds, but I would rather play the right sized violin.

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I might be persuaded to give you a hundred bucks for it.

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Uzi, considering the little report you posted, why so little?  You don't think its worth more than a hundred bucks?  A violin by the same maker sold for $2000 in '95.

I'm reposting this viola at the Violins for Sale forum.

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Uzi was joking. He probably would give you a hundred bucks for it though. :-)
I would too, doesn't mean it's not worth many times more. ;-)

Looks like you have Evah Pirazzi medium and by the colors I am guessing that you have an A, D, G and C string. They should not have been tuned like a violin.

Chances are that those strings are now shot.

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Thanks for that Fiddlerman.  So the strings are shot, but the viola has not suffered from this mistreatment?

I've emailed more images around about it and a local maker (Ifshin) says that it has a sound post crack.  With the crack, they will not take it for consignment.  There is a hairline crack to the right of the bridge and it does look like it is over the sound post.

Tarisio has seen the images.  They say nothing about the crack, but they give me an estimate of $1500 to $2200 and they say they'll take it for auction.

At this point, Tarisio seems like my best bet to get your Concert Violin.

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I have no idea about Tarisio but a hairline crack is easy enough to fix if it's not located over the soundpost. If Tarisio is correct, you could buy about 4 Fiddlerman Concert violins. ;-)

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We'll see.  It's either Tarisio or eBay.  Including PayPal, fees on eBay are about 13%, Tarisio is 9% for my price range.  And Tarisio is orchestra strings only.  So Tarisio it will be.

I've also posted at the forums under Violins for Sale, Albert Krell viola, I'll post updates there when things are under way.

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