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Glaesel Piccolo Tuner - How to install
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Hello guys! It's nice to be here in this forum.

 

I was looking up string adjusters / fine tuners in fiddlershop and came across the Glaesel Piccolo Fine Tuner.

 

How does this go on the tail piece? A picture would be very nice.

 

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There is only one barrel screw that goes on from underneath the tailpiece, and the rest all gets screwed on from the top. I took a couple of pictures with my iPhone after installing one on a rosewood tailpiece. You can see more clearly how it's put together on the second picture with the side view.

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Fiddlerman said
There is only one barrel screw that goes on from underneath the tailpiece, and the rest all gets screwed on from the top. I took a couple of pictures with my iPhone after installing one on a rosewood tailpiece. You can see more clearly how it's put together on the second picture with the side view.

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Cool!! Is it for G? duncecap

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Thanks Fiddlerman!

This makes everything clear now. I thought I had to get a custom tailpiece.

Appreciate all the help. :)

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Naska,

They are used for any string. They are removable. If a person wants to use ball end strings and a fine tuner that uses the right after length this is a great choice.

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I'm glad that topic was posted. I wanted to change the tailpiece on my Raggetti but all the fine tuners that I had for ball end strings would have changed the afterlength more that I would have liked. I had some loop end adjusters but not many places carry loop end strings.

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Nice, although I don't use fine tuner's any more, the  Glaesel Piccolo Fine Tuner. are perfect for maintaining correct afterlength.

How cool is that ?  cool Almost as cool as the return of "Hostess Twinkie's" ™ to store shelve's.

 

Ken.

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Naska,
They are used for any string. They are removable. If a person wants to use ball end strings and a fine tuner that uses the right after length this is a great choice.

Haha! Thanks! It's just weird to see a fine tuner on G only =)

 

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Nice, although I don't use fine tuner's any more, the  Glaesel Piccolo Fine Tuner. are perfect for maintaining correct afterlength.

How cool is that ?  cool Almost as cool as the return of "Hostess Twinkie's" ™ to store shelve's.

 

Ken.

Thanks for reminder, can't wait for my set droolingdroolingdroolingdroolingdroolingdroolingdroolingdroolingclap

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Fiddlestix said
Nice, although I don't use fine tuner's any more, the  Glaesel Piccolo Fine Tuner. are perfect for maintaining correct afterlength.

How cool is that ?  cool Almost as cool as the return of "Hostess Twinkie's" ™ to store shelve's.

 

Ken.

Hi @Fiddlestix Ken

I still use fine tuners. I can do it without them but I'm just lazy.

I have to say that I've never seen a Hostess' Twinky but they sound good.

I'm totally glad that you you didn't carry through on your threat. Great to hear from you again

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Hey, John / Ferret:, I had these installed a couple month's ago.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Knilli.....1651wt_900

I love em. They are not affected from change's in temp. or humidity and don't slip or stick. I think they are a 5:1 ratio. Turning the thumb screw 5 complete turn's turn's the inside shaft 1 complete turn. When putting on or taking off a string, simply pull out on the peg and the gear disengage's, now you have a 1:1 ratio. When the string is near tight, simply push in on the peg and the gear's reengage. They eliminate all the tailpiece fine tuner's.

I had my luthier install them on my, FM, Concert Master, a couple month's ago. Cost me $100.00 even money, including the installation, of course I didn't buy them from, Amazon, he furnished them.

Hostess Twinkies,,,,, yummy. tongue

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Hi Ken,

Your E string doesn't have a fine tuner? I have the Knilling planetary pegs on one of my violins and I can't fine tune the E string without a tailpiece fine tuner. I had them installed and the shop automatically put a fine tuner on the E string, and I can see why. At least the ones I have, I can't adjust the E string closely enough with just the planetary peg. (Knilling's installation instructions also say to put a fine tuner on the E string....)

I like the planetary pegs.

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Nope, Steve, no E string fine tuner, mine work perfectly.  

Here are the complete instruction's for the "Knilling" peg's. I didn't see anything about using a E string fine tuner. Even in the slide show that is available in the list, none of the instrument's have tailpiece fine tuner's. There is a trick to using them properly though.

 

http://www.perfectionpegs.twof.....ion.html#5

 

Ken.

 

 

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OK, Ken, glad to hear you're doing fine without the E string fine tuner.

Happy practicing!

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Just want to point out that we sell perfection pegs as well and at a better price than your link at Ebay Fiddlestix.

http://fiddlershop.com/perfect.....perfection pegs

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@Pierre, I wasn't advertising Ebay, I was only using that link to make a point for something. I didn't buy my pegs on Ebay, Amazon or any other place, I had my luthier put them in and he supplied them and when I searched those pegs, Ebay came up not Fiddlershop. If I were to do it myself, I'd go with Fiddlershop pegs as I purchase 98% of my stuff there.

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Speaking of just regular pegs (I know nothing of the Perfection or other geared pegs), I think that maybe part of why tuning from the pegs gives some folks a bit of trouble is because they try to avoid it. 

If regular pegs aren't moved often, I think it increases the tendency to stick.  It's just kind of natural with any sort of a friction-based connection, maybe.  

I don't use any fine tuners on my acoustic violin, and it just has plain old pegs.  I haven't found it particularly hard to peg tune it.  I think it did stick and "jump" a little the first week or so.  But as they got used to being moved often, they smoothed out.

Another thing is I think some folks may actually push the pegs in too hard, to try and make sure they don't slip.  I have even heard folks being told "as hard as you can", which I personally think can run the risk or damaging the pegbox, since some folks will have stronger hands than others.  It only needs to be pressed in hard enough to hold, and exactly how much that is will take some experimenting to find out. 

I have noticed some noobs hate to touch the pegs if they can possibly avoid it.  I think I kinda skipped that stage maybe because I have an oud.  Those have a pegbox, like a violin, but a lot more ebony pegs to tune.  Mine has 12, and I've been tuning it for I think about 3 yrs or so now.  So tuning the violin pegs always seemed like light work to me.  There's only those 4 pegs to have to worry about.  LOL

But so far as I've seen with plain wood pegs, the more often they are used, the easier they are to work with. 

Not that there's anything wrong with fine tuners, if you want them.  I use a tailpiece with built-in fine tuners on my electric.  The electric tends to drift out of tune a little bit with the wider temperature changes in warm weather, so it's handy to have the fine tuners on it to be able to just touch it up now and then as needed. 

With my acoustic, I decided to try going without them when I changed from a carbon tailpiece with built-ins to a plain ebony tailpiece.  I just like the look and sound (subjective observation) a bit better on my acoustic without them and don't find tuning from the pegs to really be any more bother 98% of the time.  Once in a while it will be a little fussy when heat and humidity are high and it may take an extra few seconds to tune up.  But really, once you're used to it, it's no big thing.

 

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I've just installed my new miracle-pegs (which are the same Perfection Pegs). They came today. Couldn't wait for tomorrow, hahaha! =)

 

Now i can say that i never was able to tune my violin THAT FAST!!!

 

Awesome thing! No fine-tuners for Naska (including E)!!! Though there were times, where i used the regular pegs without the fine tuners, but my teacher wasn't much happy about it, so i had to change the tail-piece on one with built-in tuners. Now i'll give that thing to someone in the music school. Thank God, i don't need it anymore!

 

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Right on Naska.  You are so cute sweetie.  You attitude rocks!!!

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I know Fiddlestix. I just had to stick that best price thing in there. Use every chance I get. LOL
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