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Guarneri patterns vs Strad patterns, pro's con's?
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I'm just curious..

I Know in today's world this doesn't really mean much because there has been so much variation between the original designs. Overall Guarneri "stylish Violins have a wider lower bout and also upper c bout right? Whereas generally the Strad is longer but thinner?

I've heard that Strads tend to focus the mids and high a little more, with more clarity, more piercing, whilst Guarneris the mids and lows are more pronounced and the response and projection is more apparent...generally.

Is this the case?

But then their are those that say, you can't really tell any real inherent differences in fiddles made from one pattern or another anymore.. It seems no 2 Guarneris or Strads that you see are even remotely alike LOL

 

i'm just curious on everybody's thoughts?

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What I know about it you have already listed: some physical details in the shape also including the F-holes and the sound. Not only the lows being more characteristic of a Guarneri there's also the warmer/bright comparison in between. Some even say that a Guarneri tend to "growl" a bit while Strads are almost "surgically clean". This can be adjusted with the strings of course (or even the materials if we are talking about modern replicas) but let's say we are talking about the natural predisposition of both models.

I don't know much about it because my interest goes to earlier models such as amati, but I'm also curious about other thoughts on this :)  

 
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I wish I knew more about this subject.  I know that I have gravitated towards "Guarneri" style instruments because of the warmer, mellower reputation they have, but I have never played on a Strad replica.  I would wonder how noticeable the difference is, or if there even is one on instruments made by GCV or even on a Ming Jiang Zhu which has S & G variants of their models.

No doubt the true original works by G & S have different, appreciable qualities to those with trained and experienced ears, but does that trickle down to a modern $1,200 Chinese instrument?   

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I think it can be noticeable on chinese instruments until a certain point. Maybe not with the same proportions that we think of the original models of course but still enough to have a certain characteristic of its own and differentiate the two models sound wise.

 
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Well, I'm kind of just leaning towards basic differences and generalities. Although I read on other threads from experts that below about the $5,000 dollar level, it really doesn't matter. There are Strads that are deeper and mellower and Guarneris that are brighter and more trebly, they say it only really matters when you get into really high level instruments.

But as a general rule of thumb ( right?

Strad patterns - More mid range, high's

Guarneri patterns - More mids, deeper lows, smoother

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Of course, among the generic patterns Guard/Strad you still have specific models that may escape a bit of those  general "brand" conceptions.

But in the end you can sum it like that  :)

 
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It might help to compare the real deal.  Even then, no two are alike.  Some will tell you, as in wine tasting, "This violin has the tintinnabulation of a crystal glass intermingled with slightly woody overtones, at once exquisite and yet slightly presumptuous..."  I don't find that at all helpful. It's better to just hear it for yourself.  Here's  three  examples.  The first is a 1716 Strad vs a 1743 Guarneri.  The second, is the "Soil" Strad played by Itzhak Perlman and the "Puskin" Guarneri played by Pinchas Zukerman.  Bonus Points: In the second one, see if you can tell which is which.  Finally, the third is a duel between the 1694  Strad vs the 1731  Guaneri.  Which one wins?

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Thanks for posting Uzi

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I used to think that I knew the answer to that question but I really do not. The more I sell and test instruments and we sold over 2000 violin just in 2014, the more I realize that a violin is a commodity and no two sound alike just like Uzi said.
Some Strads are dark, deep and powerful and some Guarneri models are bright and brilliant. Obviously the same goes in reverse.
Sorry for not being able to help clarify the difference. :(

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Fiddlerman said
I used to think that I knew the answer to that question but I really do not. The more I sell and test instruments and we sold over 2000 violin just in 2014, the more I realize that a violin is a commodity and no two sound alike just like Uzi said.
Some Strads are dark, deep and powerful and some Guarneri models are bright and brilliant. Obviously the same goes in reverse.
Sorry for not being able to help clarify the difference. :(

Well their may not be much to clarify...I mean I know that Guarneri style Violins have a larger lower bout and a diff f-hole design than Strads, but I guess unless we're comparing super high quality, expensive bench-made Violins, they say it's kinda really hard to tell them apart and their are no real hard and fast rules I guess.

I'm curious fiddlerman which pattern do you prefer or think lens to one or the other? In your opinion?

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I lean more torwards the Guarneri patterns. More frequently than not, they are slightly darker sounding and appear to be quite powerful just the same. :)
But as I said earlier, it could be completely the opposite at times.

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