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Playing on nonwound gut strings
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Just a comment on playing nonwound gut strings,

It maybe just me but from reading other folks comments about playing on nonwound gut strings it appears I'm not alone in what I'm expecting. 

I have used Passione strings which are a modern wound gut string it has some synthetic core also with gut core for stabilization and the play like normal synthetic strings stretch a lot when new but stable after a week or so sound great last a good time feel good under the fingers draw back very pricey, so for giggles I'm trying a set of tri colored strings wound G, non wound D and A steel E, if you try this be prepared for a learning curve they act differently than synthetic wound strings when bowing, lots of bow noise under ear even there sound takes getting use to. I'm bad about bowing close to the bridge with a lot of pressure but with these I'm having to lighten up a bit and move a bit more to the middle of the bowing lane and increase my bow speed to get a good sound. My andera solo rosin makes all kind is bow noise, fiddlermans red rosin is better, i got some hills light today it appears to be the best so far for me and these strings. Wife says at the house across the room she can not hear the bow hiss and they sound good, next week hope to have the piano player that I play with listen to them when we practice and see how they sound in the sanctuary. Any one else tried playing on gut string with similar issues.

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October 25, 2017 - 11:02 am
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That bow hiss sound is considered by some, the old sweet violin sound. 🙂
Personally I prefer the cleaner modern power strings. I have also tried the Tricolore strings.

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I realize it a short trip, but the hiss is driving me crazy! 

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@Fiddlerman I have a question, are really old but never used gut strings useable? I am using FM strings, and love them! I always thought it would be fun to try gut strings and hear how my "Rose" sounded when my grandfather played her! He used silk E strings which are impossible to get now. I assume that was due to straight gut E strings broke rapidly! Anyone know why silk strings went out of fashion? Was it due to WWII? Maybe the end of the war and all the bombing put a lot of silk string makers out of business? I googled silk violin strings and all I get are about spidersilk strings, which are experimental. Nothing about silk strings made with traditional silk is even mentioned! However, I have a package for a silk E string that is obviously Japanese. I am aware that most of these pkgs could pre-date WWI, I have no idea when he quit playing. He told me he was too young to inlist for WWI and too old to inlist for WWII. He courted my  grandmother with Rose when they were 16 until they were 19 and married! I am not sure how much longer they played together, but they had the farm, the depression, and two daughters to deal with, which could have been a reason to put their instruments away.

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October 26, 2017 - 12:22 pm
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Old gut strings are not usable. Unfortunately they have a limited shelf life. They dry out.

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@Fiddlerman @Mark I found a maker of Silk Violin strings! I found a picture of a Japanese guzheng with silk strings which took me to a lyre with silk strings. So I did a search for silk strings for the guzheng, and ran into a post about this place you could find silk strings for western and eastern instruments. He sells on Etsy. His shop name is LPKaster. If you google etsy.com.LPKaster, you will find the link to his shop. It is considered to be as fine as gut and very similar in sound. It is hand wound and supposed to have wonderful nuances to the sound. (Learned all that from the Lyre player) He sells E, A, D and G strings in 60 inch lengths, which is the same as my grandfather's silk E string. He says you should be able to get 3 strings out of that length. For 3 strings, the price is very reasonable.  They are priced by weight or by how many strands of silk are required. E is cheapest and G is the most expensive. Still at $36.00 for 3 G strings, is not bad! Maybe someone would be interested in trying silk strings out. He started making them for a specific violinist in the Philharmonic Orchestra. Now he makes them for everyone. He also does custom orders, all sizes for $28.00. Check it out! At the high price of gut string, the silk may be a good option! I am thinking that they may take a week to settle like gut. It seems silk was used since ancient times for stringed instruments in the east.

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Interesting, thanks for the information.

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Just an note: after 3 weeks of playing the Tri-colore gut strings and the Lenzner E

On my particular Fiddle I have come to like the G, A & E, but the D just never sounded or played good to me, I replaced it with a Passione D that I had taken off earlier this year and play ability and sound quality to me are so much better than the plain gut D on this particular instrument. Later this week I'll have some folks listen and see if it blends and sounds good in the sanctuary.

They have a Silver wrapped and aluminum & silver wrapped D available that I believe I'll try one of them and see if I like it.

 

This had been an interesting experiment using plain gut string without any winding's

The quest for the best string continues.

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November 17, 2017 - 8:07 am
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Interesting. How did the D sound when you had other strings on your violin? Before Tri-colore.

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