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So I got a new violin. 

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I'm pleased with it.  Sounds nice, rather warm.  It plays well.  Shar shipped it out the morning after I ordered it and it got here in about 2 days.  Came set up and almost in tune.  Holds tune well, and the pegs turn smooth.  The finish is nice, and not so thick that one can't see and feel a bit of "corduroy" to the wood on the top.  The ebony is most likely dyed, but not painted, so I'm fine with that.

The setup is reasonably well done.  The afterlength isn't tuned, but from what I understand it usually isn't in a basic student setup.  I can attend to that when it needs the strings changed.  The bridge is thinner than any I did myself, and even has the little parchment tab under the E string.  The nut is shaped well enough that I don't see a need to do any work on it.  In fact, other than maybe a few very minor cosmetic points, this violin doesn't really need work done on it so far as I have seen.

I thought about keeping my Mendini as well, but opted to pass it to an old friend of the family who had admired it and had often said he had to get himself a violin "someday".  With a bit of luck, I can get a jam buddy out of that, when he has learned a bit.  I promised to show him a few basics on it.

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Beautiful addition to your stable Daniel.

 

Good to hear it though and then we can run a sound sample if you like.thumbs-up

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It looks really nice. Congrats on your new fiddle!

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What make, Dan ?dunno

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She's a Hoffmann Amadeus, Fiddlestix.

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SHAR music ????? surprised

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Yes. 

The other options in my price range would have pretty much been Cecilio, so far as I saw.  My Mendini was made by Cecilio.  I definitely wanted to try a different manufacturer. 

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Ok, Fiddlestix, I have to ask.

Is there some problem?   I'm definitely not the only person on this forum who has a Hoffmann or who bought it from Shar.  I'm not sure, but I think that is the main place one buys Hoffmann's from.  

If there is a problem, I'm not understanding it.  If this is humor, I'm not getting it.  

dunno

Maybe I'm just dense? 

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I wouldn't take it too personal there Daniel... The last Hoffman I did a sound analysis on showed itself to be comparable to a K550. banana

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LOL, sorry, Danny..... I didn't mean anything by it, I only said that because Shar music isn't that far from me.  Can't wait to hear it.  violin-1267

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Congratulations! Your hoffman Amadeus looks very nice! My daughter's violin teacher has said Shars has good reputation on their insturments and i read from another website that Hoffman's violins are worth buying. Did you get it from their special 10 day Dutch Auction? http://www.sharmusic.com/Shop-.....t%3aViolin

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I would like to clarify that I am not saying anything against Cecilio violins in general.  I'd be willing to bet that in the same price range as I spent for the Amadeus, they have some instruments that are probably quite nice.  But I hadn't had what I'd call a good experience with getting straight answers from their customer service regarding their least expensive line, and for me personally that is a deciding factor on who I will spend money with later. 

To be fair, though, *after* some work, the Mendini MV300 was an instrument that I enjoyed playing and where I felt it had a nice sound.  But at least mine hadn't been good right out of the box, so I wouldn't recommend that particular one for a beginner.

This Hoffmann, on the other hand, was ready to play and even almost in tune.  It took me less than a minute to touch up the tuning and it sounded and played well right away.  For a beginner, I could recommend it because of that.  Shar also called within 24 hours after It was delivered to check and see if it got here ok and and if I was happy with it and to remind me that I can return it any time in the first 30 days if I find anything I don't like about it where I feel I should get a replacement or refund.  They also wanted to make sure I understood that if I want to upgrade to one of their more expensive violins at some point in the future that they'd give me some credit if I trade in the violin I just bought.  That kind of attention from a company/dealer is the sort of thing where it makes points with me.

Pierre and the Fiddlershop here also are very good about customer attention, and I would like to point out that I looked here first.  Always best if you can buy an instrument from somebody you know and where you know they actually play, if you can.  But what the Fiddlershop had available in my price range was Cecilio and I preferred to try some other maker.  Since I could return the Hoffmann if it wasn't something I liked, I felt it was a good choice to try. 

There was one other BIG reason I wanted to try a Hoffmann.  Coolpinkone plays one and I really liked how it sounded when she plays it.  The tone she gets from her violin is one of my favorite violin sounds on this forum.  I have other favorites too, but they were either out of my price range or special cases like Denny's old German violin or Fiddlestix's violin that he used on his recording of "Green Eyes".  Both of those, the sound is beautiful, but it is the result of a lot of patience and know-how, and you just can't buy a sound like that off a shelf for 160$.  I could mess around with adjustments and etc for the next 20 yrs and maybe learn a bit about such things, but I still might never actually get anything I like as well as those two (just using those as examples).  That is just the reality of it, the way it is.

So the biggest factor in my wanting to try a Hoffmann was having heard Coolpinkone playing one, and hearing how much she likes it. 

@Fiddlestix: Ok, NOW I get it.  I was just a bit puzzled at the response.  LOL  thumbs-up

@cdennyb: The trace will be interesting to see, since the Amadeus is their least expensive line (though blemished and trade-in violins from Shar can go cheaper).  My ears tell me I like it.  But it will be interesting to see what the trace of the sort of sound I like actually looks like, if that makes any sense.  I'll try to get at least the sample recording for the analysis done this morning, if I can.

@pky: No, I didn't even know about the Dutch auctions.  I'm one of those people who sort of just skips past the promotions like that and goes straight to the pages I can order from.  LOL  I've seen some people say Hoffmann's beginner line are ok violins for beginner level, and some consider them "VSO" (Violin Shaped Objects, meaning something that sorta looks like a violin, but can't really sound like one).  But so far I am quite pleased with this instrument.  It sounded and felt really good right out of the box, and everyone who has seen it in person has felt it looks really nice.  At the price, one just can't reasonably expect more than that.
 

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Congrats Dan! She is a beauty. I have a Hoffman concert violin and I adore her!

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Daniel... I'm curious, did you hear a demo of the Amadeus being played before you ordered it, or was it just a "I hope it sound's good" type of thing. I'm in the market for a new violin so i'm looking at various model's. I was interested in the K-550 but when I saw FM's review on the Concert Master I was hesitant about the K-550.

I asked Pierre about choosing one of the two, he told me he had a upgraded model of the Concert Master and he was going to do a review of it. That was last week and haven't heard yet how it turned out. So, Pierre, if you read this umm..., please, before I blow my money on some foolishness or something I won't be satisfied with. clockis ticking.

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@coolpinkone:  Thank you!  I really like this little violin so far. 

 

@Fiddlestix:  Ok, if you want the short answer, no, I didn't hear a demo of the Amadeus model before I spent money on it.

If you are up for a longer answer with some details, pour yourself a coffee and read on. LOL

No, Fiddlestix, I didn't hear a demo of the Amadeus model.  I had listened very briefly to demos of some of the other beginner level Hoffmanns, but I don't put a lot of faith into professionally done demos. 

I could take a 30$ acoustic guitar from an Amazon warehouse, especially if I got to pick the nicest sounding one out of maybe a dozen or two, tune it by harmonics so any little problems with the intonation or frets would be less noticeable, mess with it for a little bit to find a key it sounds best in..  Then set up a good mic, in a spot in the room where the acoustics can help a little, and I could most likely get a likeable sound out of it.  Especially, if I made a few takes and played to make the best use of the tonal peculiarities of that particular guitar, found the chord voicings it liked and so on, it could sound pretty good. 

But that wouldn't be much of an indicator of what it would sound like right out of the box in the hands of a beginner.  While one could say it had been a valid demo, it wouldn't really show what that instrument sounds like.  It would show how it can sound in the hands of someone who carefully plays it to show off the good points and hide any poor points of the sound.

I give more weight to where I hear real players working things out for an actual song/recital, because there you can hear more of the tone and the qualities of the sound.  They won't be playing carefully to avoid any less-than-stellar sounds and making the most of the instrument's good points.

To be honest, I didn't call Shar to order an Amadeus.  I was going to order a used Concert (same model Coolpink plays) that they had gotten back when someone traded it in.  But that one was gone when I called, so I let the nice saleslady do her job and go through her pitch on some of the other models I could buy new.  I had already read the descriptions on the other models.

What I hadn't read was that they routinely do trade-ins.  Mostly for models they sell, though they will try and allow at least something if you have a violin bought somewhere else.  If I had been willing to wait a bit, they could have given me a call when somebody traded in the model I was originally looking for.  They routinely do a fair bit of business selling the trade-ins, which made sense considering a trade-in was what I was originally looking to buy.  I've gotten some good deals buying used equipment over the years.

I'm not the sort who usually trades in instruments, actually.  Usually, if I like it well enough to keep in the first place, I'd rather give an old instrument that starts gathering dust to a family member or friend, to encourage them to play.  But that they have a trade-in program was definitely a bit different than buying off Amazon or ebay.  I look at that as them considering the instrument as being worth something, even after they have sold it.

I also could have rented an instrument, or I could have had them send me a couple violins "on approval" and only paid for the one I didn't send back.  But while those are probably good options for some folks, it's just not the way my brain works.  So I just took the chance and bought the Amadeus.  I could also have afforded to get a better model, but bought just the violin, with no case, bow or etc.  My wife said that would be being "Penny wise, pound foolish", and to get the outfit since it isn't a good idea to even ship an instrument without a case, and I needed a new bow anyway.  I can't really argue that point.

So originally, I was going to buy a used Hoffmann "Concert" and a bow that they had on special.  Instead, I ended up buying the "Amadeus" with the usual little outfit of case, bow, rosin.  I can say I am pleased with it, and feel I got a good value.  You know me well enough from my long-winded threads (like this one is heading towards being) to know I don't overlook problems just because an instrument  is new, or try to think I have something wonderful if an instrument doesn't play right or isn't made right.  If there was something to it that I felt needed fixed before the instrument was right, I'd tear into it without a second thought for warranties or trade-in value.  But other than some very minor cosmetic points, I haven't found anything I don't like about this violin yet.  I have been looking.  LOL

However.. I don't think you can go far wrong with a K-550 or a Concert Master, either.  By all accounts of real people right here in this forum, those are both excellent instruments.  They sound nice and if there were problems with them, I am sure they would have come up in the discussions.  Besides, Pierre knows violins.  He doesn't have a soundman setting up the recordings and he puts all the instruments he demos through some very similar paces.  He isn't "making them sound good", watching him play, he is listening for flaws as well as good points. 

No offense at all intended to Pierre.. But if he was a used car salesman, he'd starve.  He's a great player and he knows more about violin sound than I ever will.  But he doesn't do hype well, and he doesn't "sell the dream".  If he makes money selling gear, it is by only selling gear that he actually can honestly talk good about. 

Now, why I was dead set against buying a Cecilio.. They probably do make some good violins.  They make some that Pierre can actually recommend, and like I said, he is honest to the point where if he was relying only on his abilities as a salesman I think he and his family might go hungry sometimes.  But I had already bought one of their low end instruments, one of their cheapest "Mendinis".  I may be odd in this, but one thing I think about is how cheap a company will go and what corners they will cut to make a buck.  As anybody here will warn, you get what you pay for, especially in the low end of the market.  Pierre can tell what is ok in their line (and doesn't sell their line as cheap as the MV300 I bought), but I can't.  So I tried a company where the cheapest violin was 160$ instead of 60$, and I have been pleased with the result.

Not saying that a 160$ Cecilio might not be as good.  But I kind of lost faith that they would be where I would spend more money when I saw what they will do in the low end, and when I found out how much trouble it can be to get an answer about materials and etc when calling their customer service.  I asked the saleslady at Shar if the fingerboard on the Amadeus was painted or dyed.  She said it wasn't painted, since you can see the grain, but explained it was "almost certainly" dyed because very little ebony wood is actually pure black and on any beginner grade instrument the ebony is usually dyed because it won't have been the prettiest ebony in the world.  That is true enough and an honest answer.  I don't mind dyed, actually, but I have a thing against painted fingerboards.  But she didn't tell me what she thought I might want to hear just to make the sale, and she knew enough to be able to answer that question straight off.  Cecilio gave me quite a run-around about even what kind of wood was under the paint on my Mendini.  I never did actually get what I felt was a sure and straight answer, calling as a customer who had already paid for it.

I may put overmuch faith into things like that, or read too much into a music place having a trade-in program, but since I don't actually know enough about violins to be able to pick a really good one on sound and while I may know some things to look for on workmanship I definitely don't know all the things somebody like Pierre (or you, for that matter) would know to check, so things like that are how I decide where to spend money.

I can't say for sure you'd like my Amadeus, Fiddlestix.  You are a more experienced player than I am and could be listening for different things in the tone than I am.  Things I like about how it handles and plays, you might not like.  Every company/maker will have a certain tone and feel, and you might not like Hoffmanns at all.  Like with electric guitars, in the same price/quality grade, some folks like Fenders better and some like Gibsons better.  They feel different and play different and every player likes what they like.

So even a higher level Hoffman might not be what you like.  You are thinking about a K-550 or a Concert master, and I'd be willing to bet that in the price range you're talking there, I'd bet you can't go far wrong with either.  

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Ok, the sound sample for Denny's analysis when he gets time.. 

No great playing, nothing to see here, move long.  LOL

 

@cdennyb:  Not the best, since of course the refrigerator had to kick on just as I was about to start recording.  So there's more background noise than I would have liked. 

I have to comment that the envelope on this instrument looks odd to me.  I took down levels to make sure I wasn't clipping, but I haven't ever seen an acoustic instrument with no compression being used put out envelope that thick and steady.  I took levels down at the board and on the computer to make sure it wasn't peaking even with hand claps. 

But the envelope on strong bowed notes looks too steady to me to be anything I'd expect to see from an acoustic instrument. 

It sounds natural enough, but I am used to seeing some waver in the amplitude on long notes.  I am wondering if it may just be loud enough that trying to record it at the usual approx 12 inches is managing to overload the preamp in the studio mic or something.  I haven't ever seen that happen, but I suppose it is possible.

Or maybe a violin note *can* be that steady?  I don't know.  It sounds very steady in person, but I'd still expect to see more variance on the waveform amplitude than this. 

Oh well, it's a place to start from, anyway.  New violin, strings are what came on it, but feel fresh and the harmonics played on them are good and clear.  New bow, different rosin than my usual Hill dark.  I guess I shouldn't be surprised that the trace looks different than anything I saw on the Mendini, but this looks almost too steady to be natural.  I have seen horns or flutes that put out an envelope that thick and solid, but I haven't seen it on a bowed string, so far as I can recall.

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Now, why I was dead set against buying a Cecilio.. They probably do make some good violins.  They make some that Pierre can actually recommend, and like I said, he is honest to the point where if he was relying only on his abilities as a salesman I think he and his family might go hungry sometimes.  But I had already bought one of their low end instruments, one of their cheapest "Mendinis".  I may be odd in this, but one thing I think about is how cheap a company will go and what corners they will cut to make a buck.  As anybody here will warn, you get what you pay for, especially in the low end of the market.  Pierre can tell what is ok in their line (and doesn't sell their line as cheap as the MV300 I bought), but I can't.  So I tried a company where the cheapest violin was 160$ instead of 60$, and I have been pleased with the result.

Cecilio and hoffman are both Chinese violin. However, Shar has a group to inspect their bows and instrument and apparently they are very strict on the quality, therefore as a result, the instruments and bows on their sale list are of better quality. Those did not pass the inspection, Shar still sells them with lowered price.

 

Cecilio does not have an inspection group, the quality of their instruments are thus less equal, I would say only 75% of them are of satisfactory level. if you want to be more strict, then 50%, so when you buy a cecilio it is a 50/50 chance to get a good violin (I think if you buy it from fiddlerman, he will inspect it before he sells it to you because he wants to ensure his customers' satisfactory). Mind you, these are student violins.

Mendini is a lower end production of Cecilio -- probably made by apprentice luthiers.  However, they do have some that perform well.

 

I have mentioned in other thread before, but will mention it here again. The reason Chinese and romanians could keep their price so low is because they have low labor there (it is not that they torture their labors but because their living expense is low -- it is like a dollor they earn there equals a dollor you earn here in the usa and you spend it the same way). I hope I could explain it better.

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Mendini is a lower end production of Cecilio -- probably made by apprentice luthiers.  

 

Well, I think that apprentice luthier #126, who made the Mendini I got, has a brilliant future.  Hopefully as something like a veterinary custodian.  LOL

After some work it had some nice sounds and played ok and held tune well.  But it did none of that until after I'd put some work into it, and the set-up when I first got it was terrible.  But I put in a fair number of hours playing on it and learning and I would say I got more than enjoyment from it than the 60$ that was paid for it, so I'm not really complaining.

The new owner is quite pleased with it, though, and hopefully it will encourage him in learning to play.

I agree that not just violins but many other things we buy end up coming from the orient these days.  It would be nice if the violins we play came from great luthiers and each one was top quality, but that just isn't in the budget for a lot of beginners.  Buying what one can afford while the motivation is fresh to learn to play is a necessity that makes the niche for low priced instruments.  Not great, but something to start learning on.

Anyway, since test notes don't give much of an idea of how an instrument sounds when played, I did a quick take of the first tune I tried when my Hoffmann came in.  The same song was giving me a bit of trouble on the Mendini but was much easier on the Hoffmann.  I just couldn't get a little slide/gliss to really sound right on the Mendini.

(Don't bother with critique, it is a crap take done in a rush.  Just trying to give some idea how the Hoffmann sounds.)

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WoW! Congratulations with the new violin, Daniel! birthday_balloondrooling =)

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DanielB said

pky said

Mendini is a lower end production of Cecilio -- probably made by apprentice luthiers.  

Well, I think that apprentice luthier #126, who made the Mendini I got, has a brilliant future.  Hopefully as something like a veterinary custodian.  LOL

It just like some students are straight As students from the beginning and some other students have to work a little longer and harder.

I agree that not just violins but many other things we buy end up coming from the orient these days.  It would be nice if the violins we play came from great luthiers and each one was top quality, but that just isn't in the budget for a lot of beginners.  Buying what one can afford while the motivation is fresh to learn to play is a necessity that makes the niche for low priced instruments.  Not great, but something to start learning on.

Strongly agree with you!

 

Is it possible for you to record both violins (using same strings) but do not reveal which one it is and let us guess which one it is (I like to play games like this:))?

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