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How would open seam affect the sound of a violin?
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I looked at a 3/4 used violin. It sounds great, even louder than my CVN 500, very responsive. However, it has an open seam near end pin, about 2 inches, where back plate connects to the rib, on the treble side. I wonder how this seam affect the sound? Does it matter? 

would it be expensive to have it fix? 

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An open seam will affect the sound and possibly the structural integrity over time, but if there are no other issues it should be a very inexpensive fix - clean off any dirt, apply hot hide glue, clamp until dry. No biggie.

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Even if the sound is not worse since the opening is by the block, it is bound to spread. Maybe you can kind of show us how to do that CatMcCall 🙂

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Okie-dokie! I actually have an old "wall hanger" in the shop right now that has an end block separation. I'll be starting a new thread to document the repairs. A lot of simple repairs can be made by anyone, so long as you use the proper glue and some Common Sense. I hope others can be inspired to give it a go dancinbunny

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That will be fantastic. 🙂
Maybe I can put it in as a news post here too.

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Cat, I would love to see your methods for seam repair

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@Cat, Thank you! i would love to see how you do it, too! Thanks for being so generous to share your knowledge!

 

About that violin, I took it to a violin shop, the person in charge said the open seam has been repaired by using commercial glue and it will cost me $25 to $50 to get it repair -- all depends on how much time it takes the luthier to do the job, in this case, it probably will take a little longer since he will have to remove the glue and do some touch up. Any way, i have decided not to buy this violin since the owner was not being honest about the open seam either hoping i would not discover the open seam or expect me to pay for the repair.

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That's too bad, pky. Are you sure the owner was lying on purpose, or did he just not know? I do hate people who try to take advantage, but sometimes they just don't know any better. If the price is right, and you love the violin, it might still be a good buy...

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Just breezin thru this thread but if you can get a seam repair for $50 you are doing very well !

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Cat, according to the violin shop's manager, someone has attempted to try to fix the seam, but the seller claimed he/she did not see it and they are the first and only owner, I see that being dishonest.

I don't mind trying to fix it myself, it would be a great chance for me to really get started. However, I just don't like people doing business being dishonest -- I was raised to be honest and I can't tolerate dishonest. That's just me.

 

BTW, Cat and Kevin, here's some information you might be interested (I'm, too, but I definitely can't do it this year due to my training and travelling plans):

http://www.learn.unh.edu/violin/

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Funny you should mention the violin building classes as I received a flyer in the mail just the other day. It's clear across the country from me and way outside my (non-existant) budget. Someday maybe...I'd much rather go to Fiddle Camp!

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I want to have a Fiddlerman Fiddle camp at some fiddle or violin festival somewhere where we all play together. I think it would be perfect to pre decide some of the stuff we would be playing, organize a concert. Have jam sessions, lessons and master-classes. Join others in jams and listen to great music.
Any suggestions as to some good fiddle camps to have it at?

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Fiddlerman said

I want to have a Fiddlerman Fiddle camp at some fiddle or violin festival somewhere where we all play together. I think it would be perfect to pre decide some of the stuff we would be playing, organize a concert. Have jam sessions, lessons and master-classes. Join others in jams and listen to great music.
Any suggestions as to some good fiddle camps to have it at?

What a wonderful idea.

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There is a list of fiddle camps in Fiddlers magazine. Looks like quite a few. What state would be good for having a camp? Love the idea. thumbs-up

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Lower southern states. Really doesn't matter too much I guess. Have you been to any?

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If it was closer to Calif I'd go, say to Nevada or Arizona. Hands on and ears on is probably the best for me anyway.

I think a week would be borderline too long though. I guess after you factor in the first day arriving, the last day leaving, that really only leaves 5 in the middle to work on things. The first one would a get to know the place day, the second would be a loosen up and get accepted to the routine day, and the third, fourth and fifth would be rock on days! It'd be ok.

Of course having to quit after all that fun would be next to impossible and totally depressing. 

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Fiddlerman said

I want to have a Fiddlerman Fiddle camp at some fiddle or violin festival somewhere where we all play together. I think it would be perfect to pre decide some of the stuff we would be playing, organize a concert. Have jam sessions, lessons and master-classes. Join others in jams and listen to great music.
Any suggestions as to some good fiddle camps to have it at?

What a great idea, I have never been to the US and coming to something like this would be a great reason to come visit.
Somewhere hot and sunny please cheers

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Florida sounds good to me, then I could visit my daughter and grandson too.

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I like the idea but it would be a little bit difficult for me and my husband to travel out of West Virginia. I've traveled to other states with my parents and to Ohio with my husband and his parents for his step-grandpa's funeral. While my husband was in military training, my mother-in-law and I went to Kentucky and Maryland the traffic was so horrible that it scared me. Plus the sky rocketing gas prices.

Sorry that it sounds like it is little out my way. Also I never been to Florida.   

 

Edit: Look what I found on Fiddler Magazine.

Its only 2 hours away where I live. 

Appalachian String Band Music Festival, Clifftop, West Virginia, early August. Info: West Virginia Division of Culture & History, The Cultural Center, 1900 Kanawha Blvd., E., Charleston, WV 25305-0300; (304) 558-0220, ext. 123. 

This one is 55 mins away. Didn't know it so close to me. facepalm They haven't updated the date yet. I'm interested in the Irish/Celtic Week.

Augusta Heritage Center, Elkins, West Virginia. Irish/Celtic Week, July 24-29, 2011; Bluegrass & Swing Week, July 31-Aug. 5, 2011; Old Time Week, August 7-14, 2011; October Old Time Week, Oct. 23-30, 2011; Old Time Fiddlers Reunion: October 28-30, 2011. Info: Augusta Heritage Ctr., Davis & Elkins College, Elkins, WV 26241, (800) 624-3157, ext. 1209; http://www.augustaheritage.com

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GREAT IDEA!!!

I hope you guys will share videos with us who is unable to join amuse

No chances for a mortal Russian to get a visa to US facepalm 

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