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Hermes
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So, I have been experimenting with strings the last few years. During this time I used many violins (changed my primary instrument, my backups, and done some experiments with violins of friends). 

I know that there are many conversations regarding strings, whether they are powerful, warm, bright, quiet etc. And I know -for sure- that each and every web discussion about this issue is almost condemned to yield no results since string choice is a matter of preference. It concerns not only the player but the instrument -and this whole relationship.

There are three main purposes that lead me to share this diagram I made.

1. The whole experimentation process I mentioned before, and some differences between published charts and my personal opinion

2. Most charts do not show the extra information I included - Overtone related to the core volume

3. Well...Sharing 🙂

Now, for the fun part, how to read this thing. Before everything else, it's just a chart based on my personal impression, it has a grid for no reason, nothing is "measured" or "scientifically approved" etc. However lets suppose the following

The Horizontal axis, from left to right: From the most focused, clear and piercing sound (I am not using this as a negative meaning don't get me wrong), to the most complex and subtle

The Vertical Axis, top to bottom: From the most "trebly" to the most "bassy" 

The size of the internal circle: The volume. Nothing is measured. Just impressions, and it's combined impression from both under the ear and from away

The size of the external circle: The Overtone, the "aura" of the string. (I don't know if i should also add "undertone" to the meaning of the external circle, but anyway. Somehow, I get a different impression for each string, regardless of how focused or complex is the "core sound"

Of course there are other distinctions, for example dark/warm and bright/brilliant. And mellow. And projection in a concert hall, and what the people in the last seat of the hall realize. And the softness under the left hand. And action time/attack. And string life time vs price. And do we like the color of the windings? And well, now it seems like a mess.

Anyway. Hope you enjoy, and would love to hear your thoughts. And I hope I don't start a string war. 🙂

P.S. Again, just my thoughts according to my experience. 

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Well I haven't tried all those strings but that's a really neat idea for gauging each string set. It would be fun to do that with personal instruments as the strings are expiramented with so you could keep track of it and mayhap choose the strings that were what you wanted for what types of music you were playing say classical vs. celtic and such. Thank you for sharing.

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Interesting analyses and observations @Hermes and a well thought-out diagram.

Like many others, I've seen varying descriptions of different strings - and it eventually becomes confusing, especially when personal preferences and specific instruments are used, and attempting to differentiate terms such as "warm" and "mellow" and so on...

I like that way of doing it, especially the concept of overtone production.  

Thanks for the info !

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rockinglr33 said
Well I haven't tried all those strings but that's a really neat idea for gauging each string set. It would be fun to do that with personal instruments as the strings are expiramented with so you could keep track of it and mayhap choose the strings that were what you wanted for what types of music you were playing say classical vs. celtic and such. Thank you for sharing.  

 

@rockinglr33 You mean, to create a chart for each instrument? Actually it would be nice, and some useful info indeed. Regarding your thoughts about the genre, I thought that I could tint areas of the chart with certain colors, regarding to different music genres...soon I hope

 

BillyG said

Interesting analyses and observations @Hermes and a well thought-out diagram.

Like many others, I've seen varying descriptions of different strings - and it eventually becomes confusing, especially when personal preferences and specific instruments are used, and attempting to differentiate terms such as "warm" and "mellow" and so on...

I like that way of doing it, especially the concept of overtone production.  

Thanks for the info

 

@BillyG Thank you for your comment...These attempts and the whole mess with personal preferences led me to this chart. In the future I hope that I can add steel core strings as well (which I haven't used for a long time - mainly Helicore, Piranito and Chromcore, so I did not remember the results) and gut core (which I have never used...and I should I guess haha). Also I try to thing of a way to make the chart interractive, so anybody (from the forum for example) could mark their thought and create their own charts...It would be fun to compare the results and the opinions... 🙂

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I love how visually pleasing your chart is.  It would make a great poster!  I like seeing the sound "bloom" -"The size of the external circle"

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Nice chart.

I'll send you some Fiddlerman Strings if you send me your address Hermes. Would be nice to see our strings on your chart. 🙂

Also, with some explanations on the chart itself, it could be a nice share. Of course if there are discrepancies we can have you revisit some of your decisions on some of those strings. 🙂

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Really one of the best and most innovative ideas for expressing string attributes in chart form that I've ever seen. Well done. I would like to see more strings added to the chart, such as the Larson strings.  It would be ideal if those attributes were easier to objectively identify, such as through frequency analysis for example, rather than subjectively.   Although, I admit that, in the end, it is only by the subjective qualities that our ears prefer one string brand over another. 

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I would gladly add it to our site.

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@Schaick Thank you...feel free to make a poster out of it..."the sound bloom" that can really describe the external circles...

@Fiddlerman I would definitely like to add the Fiddlerman Strings in the chart (I have sent you a PM) , and maybe add a little more info on the chart itself, so it could be interpreted without this whole text I wrote in my first post of this topic. Feel free to use it 🙂

@Uzi non quantitive /numerical analysis is indeed a flaw of this chart...I have never done a frequency analysis on strings before, so my "results" were indeed subjective. But it would be great to find a way to combine all these, and maybe give some explanation to what we perceive as a certain quality X or a quality Z etc....

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I imagine that you are open to changes and your chart will change a lot as time goes by. Doing something like this is difficult without being able to change from one set to another quickly and as you mentioned, having a machine to analyze both the volume and the sound wave/frequencies...
I think it's really cool though.
Fiddlerman Strings are on their way.

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Fiddlerman said
I imagine that you are open to changes and your chart will change a lot as time goes by. Doing something like this is difficult without being able to change from one set to another quickly and as you mentioned, having a machine to analyze both the volume and the sound wave/frequencies...
I think it's really cool though.
Fiddlerman Strings are on their way.  

 

Of course I am open to changes (and that's the point of the possibility of making the chart interactive - maybe flash could do the trick). However if you want it for the website and soon, let me know of your thoughts and what to change anytime 🙂

Thank you very much, I'll review them as soon as they arrive 🙂

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Looking forward to your thoughts on our Fiddlerman Strings. 🙂

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Very impressive, it seems that you're doing excellent work. Congratulations Hermes, and thanks for sharing!

 

 

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@stet  thank you too, it's really encouraging getting all these responses

@Fiddlerman I just can't wait to try them out, I am constantly refreshing the parcel tracking website. I will definitely make a video when I receive them, and when they stabilize in terms of sound, I will update the chart 🙂

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Thanks Hermes. 🙂

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