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Second day with out shoulder rest!violin-studentAfter four years I feel free! (Still have to figure out that pesky chin rest deal)

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Never thought about changing anything, did not know I could, thought it was all me.serenade

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Barry, I might exgagerate a little.   All in fun.   I usally post after work during the (relaxing period) of my day. So dont take my bantering     /To seriosly , 

But I have always had a slight problem with clamping a shoulder rest to the violin. When I am improving to the radio and really getting with it . I never could keep it from falling off.

But I agree it might not work. Just have to see.

 

If I have to go back to it . I will  long before I quite.  

On another note my spell check is not working on the new format.exactly 

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December 15, 2011 - 10:45 pm
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Exactly guys,

Whatever you end up doing just make sure that you do it right. Without necessary tension. That will mess you up more. As we have said before. It is very important to have a good chin-rest to keep from clamping and getting the feeling that the instrument is about to come crashing.

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I always wonder how you guys hold it vithout a shoulder-rest duncecap. I tried but i have to rise my shoulder and hold my head very low.. i even tried to compensate it with applying adjustments to the chin-rest - not working though i don't have a long neckduncecap. Always look at you and amaze... look and amaze again =)

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Fiddlerman
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December 16, 2011 - 6:54 am
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It works best for those who have shorter necks Naska. However the trick is to get a thicker chinrest or have it raised. By the way everyone, If you find a chinrest that fits you don't have to go to an expensive luthier to have it raised. If you can't cut and carve wood just find a reasonable carpenter.

The other thing that is important for playing without a shoulder rest is that your chinrest has a grip (hump). Can't be too flat or you will feel the need to clamp down on it. The grip should be comfortable though.

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I was never able to abandon the shoulder rest until I had a better chin rest which I custom made but then found a commercial model that also worked.

To find the right chin rest I came up with a test.  I first established that my chin rest was comfortable, right height, level violin, etc.  I called this initial position the "ideal" position.  But then the next step was to play 10 or 20 bars and notice where I wound up and how much I may have deviated from the "ideal" position.  I called that the "playing" position.  If the ideal position and playing position were much different than I would "lose" the violin along the way.

I also made note that different chin rests want to point the violin in different directions.  I wound up playing much more scroll left than before.  And I avoided dropping the scroll (maybe 1") total.  I had a bad habit to lower the scroll to see the music stand. 

Something has to go between the chin and the instrument but a lot of different schemes have been used, historically.  I found that ideal vs. playing position was more a major concern. 

So, about shoulder rests.  They were made because chin rests didn't work well ( for music by Paganini ).  I did use a shoulder rest for years but I just did not like them. I was annoyed that they raised the violin and I was playing "uphill".  I made the transition literally overnight once I had the right chin rest.

However, I never argue with success.

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Oliver, what did you use for materials? 
Perhaps you could do a tread about it in detail?

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