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Two bows - which is best?
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I made two clips, using a different bow each time.

Which bow do you think is the best?

It's hard to tell, what with the audio quality being the way it is.

Have a listen anyway, see what you think 🙂

Mr Jim

 

 

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What sound are you going for Jim?

Bow 1 seems mellower, better for some relaxing music. Bow 2 seems brighter, for when you want your audience up on their feet jumping around.

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I don't think I know enough to tell which is actually better.  There's probably some criteria for that, and I'm too much of a noob to appreciate fine points.

But I liked the tone you were getting with the second one a bit better.  To my ears the first one sounded maybe a bit more precise at some points, but there was a feel to what you were doing with the second one that was more of what I would consider fun or interesting. 

i doubt that is a good quality evaluation though.  Someone who plays as well as you could probably take a broken kite, wrap some of the string around one of the sticks and get a sound that would be enjoyable.  LOL

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Which one feels the best Jim?

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but the one who needs the least."

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Thanks for the replies 🙂

Bow #1 is an octagonal lightweiht pernambuco bow, and bow # 2 is an Arcus M4.

I like the Arcus better for everything. Better tone, more responsive.

 

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Then that is the one to use 🙂

Which one is more expensive? How much does the Arcus weigh?

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I should have said. The pernambuco is worth around £300, and the M4 at £700.

Pernambuco weighs 57 grams, M4 is 53grams. 🙂

  

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Those are really light.

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Sence my best bow only cost 60 bucks I will not try to pretend that I can tell a diff.  I did get a cheap fiberglass bow 2 days ago and I can say that I do NOT like it.facepalmred_cursingbegbananaflag_usa

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Well, if it's light it's easy to make it heavier by pressure. Not so easy to lighten a heavy bow that way.

 

Mr Jim

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Most everyone on the forum knows about my 'obsession' with analysis and testing on my 90 yr old German violin as well as other members instruments. I've been moving the bridge, shortening and lengthening the tailpiece gut and of course making new bridges as well and have a good baseline for testing other stuff now.

Below is a pic of a sound analysis I did just for this thread on bow comparisons.Sound-analysis-on-90-yr-old-German-violin-for-bow-comparison.jpgImage Enlarger

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OK, I know I can't just throw out a graph of my violin without one of his ... so here's an analysis page of Jims' violin and his 2 bows for comparison.

I think the first bow is the best sounding one... and the analysis shows it's the one that makes the most sound with his violin.

I think your violin is pretty expensive as well Jim... if it isn't, it should be.thumbs-upJims-analysis-on-bows.jpgImage Enlarger

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Wow I'm impressed, quite a smooth trace!

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Thanks for the in-depth analysis, Denny! That's a very interesting comparison on the bows and violins.

 

Yes, sometimes I do have the feeling that the pernambuco bow can produce a better tone, but the Arcus seems to be more responsive and better suited to the odd stuff I play.

 

My violin is not expensive ($6000) but it's bench-made, to my exact requirements, by KC Strings, Kansas. I tried out the violin when I was teaching workdshops in Groton, MA, and I bought it and had it shipped over. (I live in England).

 

Mr Jim

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I don't live in the same world then you! 6000$ is expensive for me lol.

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I agree $6000 is super expensive to me. I got a new Old German Violin at the Fiddlers Convention at a great price $300 bucks. Sounds fantastic.coffeecoffee2dancing

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Woo Hoo Springer!

Now we need a vid!... or at least a sound clip.

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Some day Di. Don't even know how yet.facepalm

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