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Game of Thrones for Viola
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Just wondering if anyone got the viola music for Game of Thrones.  I think the cut off date for doing it has passed, but would still like to do it for myself.  Am I missing it somewhere?

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never posted, was hoping they are still going to do it. If I have some time, I was going to try and transpose a few of the parts myself and submit for review. I'm still unsure of the new deadline date 

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You could at a push take the cello parts (just tread up about the bass clef) and shift 'em up an octave for viola and show on the alto clef ?    Oh - maybe that's what you meant @Ripton .......  too early in the morning for me....

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I was actually going to drop the vln parts down an fifth, but that could work as well. I have Muscore on my laptop. Shouldn't be that hard. Need to set some time aside. As it is I'm just barely able to grab 20 minutes to practice a day...

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Woooo....  dropped by a fifth....  not overly sure about that @Ripton --- hmmm- heyyy I'm NOT saying that's wrong-  I just need to think about the implications of that for a minute LOL.  

I would have approached it slightly differently if I started with the violin score - I would have dropped it an octave (with notes going out of range for violin, that's OK, because it will be "corrected" - as follows -).   I'd then change the clef to alto clef.   With any luck all the notes will be within the viola range.  If any are too low, I'd either lift these individual notes an octave, or, maybe just look at other parts and find a useful harmonization - maybe a major or minor 3rd or whatever... to bring whatever note was too low up to something in the instrument's register.    

But hey - I'm in the process of entering the 3 cello parts into MuseScore, and I'll shift them up an octave from bass to alto for you - I'll post them here a wee bit later..... (and I'll get @Fiddlerman to cast an eye over them just in case I screw up totally)

And to the OP @Oceanside Girl no you haven't missed it ( the project, that is - so far Pierre hasn't had time to lay-down the viola parts ) - so - keep an eye on this thread for my "interim" viola parts - gimme an hour or so....

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OK - here are three viola parts - exactly as I described above - based on the cello 1, 2, and 3 - sifted up an octave to alto clef, with the occasional note that still remained outwith the viola register "adjusted to suit" - the pdf has the 3 parts in the one score, and here's a synthesiser overview of how it sort of sounds ( all 3 parts together )

If anyone wants individual sheet for individual parts just ask...

I would include the Musescore file - but you folks won't be able to see it.  

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Thank you everyone.  Glad to see there are other violists out there as well.  I'm still having a tough time navigating the forum and thought I may have just missed it.  I have a heck of a time finding the answer to the questions I post.  LOL.  (first forum I've ever been on, am I showing my age?)  Thanks BillyG, I appreciate you doing that.  Would love to see the violin parts made into Viola as well.  I'll try to make time for that next week.  I've never watched Game of Thrones, I guess I should google it and hear what it sounds like.  I know, I'm the only one!  Outlander on the other hand...  If I'm able to do the violin part for viola I'll post that as well.

Thanks again, everyone, for commenting!   

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You are very welcome @Oceanside Girl - personally, I don't "really" play viola - I do have one of my fiddles "re-strung" as a viola CGDA - but that's a long story.... LOL so it's a 4/4 fiddle but with viola tuning....  I use it for "certain things" LOL    Oh - yeas - and sometimes I tune the poor devil up a full tone to DAEB - but please do not ask about that....

It's not a big deal to "mess with the violin parts" and play them on viola - but - equally it is not necessarily "as simple as it seems" - I did mean to think about what @Ripton was getting at when he said "drop the violin parts by a fifth" - now - my "trouble with that" is that when I am soloing - SURE - I can play what WAS in D on violin, in G on viola, or what WAS in A on violin in D in the viola - and so on - whatever - that's a "fifth-down" as I see it - and as a SOLOIST - that doesn't really matter - ( I *THINK* that's what @Ripton kind of was suggesting - but I await Stevie's response to clarify my befuddled mind !!!!!  ROFL ) - I have not had the opportunity to explore this further - but on "initial thought" - that wouldn't necessarily work ( a "fifth-down" is a third-away from the tonic - might work perfectly as a solo - but how it "harmonizes to other parts is quite a different story - so - I NEED TO HEAR IT LOLOLOLOLOL and hmmmm well I just feel that's not exactly what we are looking for)

One of the (to my mind) easier things to do with transposing violin to viola is to do much the same as I did for the cello-to-viola - in that - I lifted the cello parts an octave.  A "simple" solution for the violin parts is to "drop them an octave"  (and maybe pull notes that are too low for the register up either a 3rd, minor 3rd, 5th or full octave to suit - and choose that "shift" by looking at the other parts to see what is actually happening "chord-wise" - that's the easy way out )

If you are really keen to play one or more of the "violin parts" but on viola - please take your time and select which you would like and I shall try my best to score them up for you - but please - don't ask me to re-score all 6 violin parts.... LOL  choose what you prefer and PM me and I'll get something together for you.  It'll only take 30 mins or so.  Oddly enough - I rather suspect ( if I do this - and I shall if you ask me - I WOULD do it by working with the violin score - but - I have this sneaking suspicion that it would end up pretty darned close to what I got for one of the modified cello parts !!!   But - I'm happy to spend the time if you ask !   I am NOT a "composer" but I have a pretty good grasp of music fundamentals, and know how to "make things work/blend/harmonize" ) 

Ohhhhh - yes - and by the way - this is "just me" trying to help-out - it really needs to be checked / verified by @Fiddlerman before ANYBODY submits anything......   all this viola stuff is just "to get us on track" for those that need / want it  - nothing more.... and it MAY WELL BE SUBJECT TO CHANGE  !!!!!!!!    Violists - you have all been warned !

Bill ( a simple fiddler - (WHAT THE HECK is ALTO CLEF???), just trying to help out here..... LOL )

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I won't ask you to do that.  I'll see what I can come up with.  I guess I just wondered if there was a Viola "part" different than cello or Violin.  I can transpose one of the other parts as soon as I have time, hopefully next week.  I'll post it for review and options.  Thanks for offering!

What is an alto clef you ask?  This is the only way I can think of to explain it.  As a violist I work read a viola clef, which is also known as a C clef or alto clef, which means that the middle point rests on the middle line, a C. (Using a treble clef that would be a B, but it's a Viola's C)  The same clef is used for tenor instruments (or vocals), but would point to the 4th line, a D.  I think the viola/alto/C clef can be used on any instruments falling into that tonal range, it just depends on where it is pointing.  Does that make sense?  I'll tell you this, that transition was NOT easy for me to make, as I started out playing piano.  It was very, very difficult for this brain of mine to put it together.  And yet, now I want to play more bluegrass or Celtic music, which is much easier to play on violin since it is so much smaller and I have quite small hands. 

Besides, it's always good to keep learning new things, especially instruments, right?!

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LOL @Oceanside Girl - the " (WHAT THE HECK is ALTO CLEF???)" comment was just my Scottish sense of humor - i.e. a "fiddler" speaking I was trying to make a "viola joke!"....  roflroflroflroflroflol   I was joking !

P.S.  As it happens, on the main thread, FiddlerMan has posted another 3 viola parts (4,5 and 6)  - I rather think we were both "thinking about doing these parts at the same time" and almost duplicated each-others work...

to re-link these pages - you'll find them here - 

http://fiddlerman.com/wp-conte.....iola-4.pdf

http://fiddlerman.com/wp-conte.....iola-5.pdf

http://fiddlerman.com/wp-conte.....iola-6.pdf

EDIT:

  The original thread started by @intrepidgirl is here - 

http://fiddlerman.com/forum/st.....nterested/

  and further, more recent additions are here on a thread started by @Michelle.Lea 

http://fiddlerman.com/forum/pl.....ct/#p81036

  So yes - following the detail can be awkward....

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Finally off mobile and able to respond. Ain't that just dandy... I had a whole plan to drop and raise everything an octave and see how that would work. Nice to see the pro's have already done that for us... 

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I need a cut off date for the project. Does everyone feel like 1 month is doable?

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I'm comfortable with that !

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I can maybe get one part (possibly two or three if the 4th-6th violin parts are a lot simpler). That wouldn't be enough time for me to learn any more than one of violin 1-3. (Assuming I can do any of them - I'm still pretty raw.)

I'd vote for more time, myself.  Maybe end of September, and get everything needed out there by the 15th of this month?

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We have a couple votes for 60 BPM and deadline for end of September.
Any more opinions or ideas?

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I've created a backing track, for anyone who wants to use it. This is NOT the officially backing/click track until and unless Fiddlerman approves it as such. Since last I heard he was working on one himself, don't put a lot of money on it.

There are two versions, one at 56 BPM, the other at 60, since we haven't fully decided what we're going to use.

Each one has a whole-note chord in each measure (and I made sure it changed each measure) and four dotted-quarter clicks per measure. I tried the make the beats drums, but Musescore was arguing with me, and this is fairly easy to hear.

On preview, I noticed that you can't see any of the filenames. You can tell them apart by the play time. It's all exactly the same material, so the longer it takes, the slower it is.

 

 

Since changing the tempo is simple and easy, here are four more practice versions, at 20, 30, 40 and 50 BPM.

 

 

 

 Now that I've got the major work of putting all the parts into the score, it's relatively easy to change most things, so holler if it's close, but not quite, what you need.

 

Oh, and for anyone that has Musescore (it's free, so you can have it if you want it), here's the score this was generated from:

{Much time goes by...}

Well, apparently I'm not going to upload that. It's not an accepted file extension. @Fiddlerman, can we get .mscx and .mscz added to the list of acceptable file types?

(If you want it, holler at me in chat. BillyG and I have already confirmed it can be transferred there.)

 

Hope this helps,

 

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Gyahhh! 

On playing one back from the last post, I realize it's missing one important kind of component. I've been listening to it watching the score, so it starting immediately seemed perfectly natural.  Won't work to practice to, so here's a new version, with a one measure intro. It has 3 beats that are the usual stuff, then three eighth-note beats to let you know the music is about to start. It's also bass and snare drum, instead of the wooden blocks.  (That was only semi-intentional. I'm still along way from having mastered Musescore.)

 

 I'm not going to create and upload all the others until I get feedback.

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Charles said ....
I've created a backing track, for anyone who wants to use it. This is NOT the officially backing/click track until and unless Fiddlerman approves it as such. Since last I heard he was working on one himself, don't put a lot of money on it.

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A lot of good work @charles - thanks !

{Much time goes by...}

Well, apparently I'm not going to upload that. It's not an accepted file extension. @Fiddlerman, can we get .mscx and .mscz added to the list of acceptable file types?

(If you want it, holler at me in chat. BillyG and I have already confirmed it can be transferred there.)
....... Charles

  Yup - I broached the subject about .mscz files with both admins over a year ago.   Apparently - .mscz is a "permitted file type" - but - only admins can see them. Apparently it has not been able to be resolved which is a bit of a pity really because I know a few folks here who would like to share .mscz...  files and I guess we gotta live with it... it may be a WP thing (which seems strange to me - but then again, I'm easily confused).  

  In my own test - sometime over a year ago - I attached .mscz files in PM to several members - none, other than admins, saw the attachment.

  But as you say - they can be shared in the chat, or person to person by email etc etc...

  Thanks for your efforts !

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Charles said
Well, apparently I'm not going to upload that. It's not an accepted file extension. @Fiddlerman, can we get .mscx and .mscz added to the list of acceptable file types?

OK Charles. Give it a shot now. 🙂 It should work.

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Nope, still get "File extension error."

Bill Gunn said he worked with y'all about a year ago trying to make it happen, and only admins could get anywhere with them.  Wordpress would appear to be stubborn about what it will and will not consider acceptable.

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