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After Our President Speaks The Southwest Looses Power
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myguitarnow
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I listened to President Obama speak today then breaking news millions loose power in the southwest USA. Somehow my wife and I still have electric but nobody around us does??

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myguitarnow said:

I listened to President Obama speak today then breaking news millions loose power in the southwest USA. Somehow my wife and I still have electric but nobody around us does??

I haven't watched the news, practicing again! I may have to go to the Betty Ford Clinic. I am addicted to this violin.

What happened in the Southwest to cause the outage? The system is pretty stressed out. Even with the drop in commercial load due to the slowdown in the economy. All it takes is one transmission line failure or a large substation transformer to fail. That can start a chain reaction as the rest of the system tries to carry the load. Transformers and substations begin to overload and take themselves off the grid, increasing the load on the remaining equipment. It can happen very rapidly and spread to a huge area, affecting many utility companies. Most of the time they do not even know where to begin looking for the problem. Operational logs have to be studied to discover the origin, then a plan put together to bring the system back up without overloading it. Think of the movie "Apollo 13" on a huge scale with lots of differing opinions from several different companies trying to assign blame. FUN!

 

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I was worried that this was going to be a political discussion.rofl

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but the one who needs the least."

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Fiddlerman said:

I was worried that this was going to be a political discussion.rofl

I meant to ask,

Who is Obama?

There are time when I am embarrassed to work in the electrical power field. Our nation needs a huge amount of upgrading in the power transmission and distribution network. Sadly our country and our government do not think long term. Everything is short term fixes. Band aids and baling wire. The only time our government thinks long term is when deciding to delay paying debt.

 

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September 9, 2011 - 9:05 am

A former boss and extreme M.B.A. explained to me the facts of (American) life. 

Give the customer the least possible to still lure his money.

Corollary ......... give the masses just enough to get elected.

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The power companies are blaming it on one worker doing a repair in Zuma, Arizona. I find that hard to believe. Close to 6 million without power because of one worker error??? I finally got to see more stars in the sky last night though because no lights down in the valley.

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Power transmission and distribution lines are very overloaded in the summer. A rule of thumb for distribution transformers is 200% loading for  4 to 6 hours a day. When everyone goes to bed and the load drops the transformer can cool off. This is fine in average temps, but when it is in the 100's for weeks at a time it really stresses the system, things don't cool all the way down. They start into the peak load a little warmer than the day before. It gets worse each day. Heat and resistance are tied in a circle, heat increases resistance which increases heat, round and round it goes until a transformer fails. If it is a large substation transformer, the load it was carrying is shifted to the rest of the system. The problem is, there is no reserve capacity. The rest of the system is already overloaded. Trying to restore power after a large outage is a nightmare as well. Hundreds of manual switches must be opened. A feeder circuit is energized and load is added gradually and monitored. The process is halted if load is too great and time is needed to allow the load to drop before adding more load. It is a balancing act. A house of cards if you will. One day if we are not careful, we could loose most of the grid starting with something simple like removing a piece of monitoring equipment.

(note, I edited this post and added the paragraph above)

 

You have to listen between the lines. A worker removed a piece of monitoring equipment. I makes it sound like this worker woke up that morning and said to him or herself, "I think I will take the __________ alarm off the 154-19 transmission bus tie today" That is not how it works. Workers are directed, mainly by engineers. I would guess this piece of monitoring equipment was telling the engineers and the ISO (Independent System Operator an entity that ties transmission lines together for separate companies.) something was wrong. They could not figure out what was wrong and therefor called for the removal of the monitoring equip. I have no idea what type of monitor was involved but I have seen some pretty goofy stuff in 25 years in the trade. We had a panel in one of our 345KV bulk substations with a hand written note on it that stated: Do not bump or brush into panel, #12345 OCB (oil circuit breaker, big as a house) will operate. It would open the breaker and drop half of St Louis Metro area. This sign was on this panel for over three years. They finally replaced the panel last year after I texted pictures of it to one of the VP's

 

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Thanks for all the info on our power system. I was thinking when we were arriving from Frankfort to Ft Laud looking over the State at night with all those lights how much we consume. And lights need very little power compared to our AC's and other products.

PS. I like your new signature picture of yourself rofl

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September 10, 2011 - 9:59 am

@Dave

I must admit that I thought you had something to hide with the ski mask face but now I'm glad to see that you're OK.

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Fiddlerman said:

Thanks for all the info on our power system. I was thinking when we were arriving from Frankfort to Ft Laud looking over the State at night with all those lights how much we consume. And lights need very little power compared to our AC's and other products.

PS. I like your new signature picture of yourself rofl

I always told my kids when we flew at night, "See all the streetlights? Linemen hung those."

People kept asking what is under the mask, now you know!

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Here is a pretty neat video of some fellows working to keep the lights on. Very well done, I like how they filtered out most of the helicopter noise.

 

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