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Yes - @damfino - I've observed "slow" responses to entered messages before they appear in the chat window - seen this from time to time - maybe 20 to 30 seconds - but - my 512k broadband could be a contributor to this ( especially when a Windows or virus update is stealing all my usable bandwidth ! Grrr.... )
But this time - it was like minutes - and my post didn;t come up
Unlike you - no - I haven't bothered trying other browsers - I'm on Chrome, on Windows (10 as it happens) and although I have IE, Edge, Opera, Firefox amongst other development browsers I just couldn't find the will to bother trying... LOLOL
Wooo - as I type - I got the gurgle....
Yee Haaaa - "It LIVES"
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@BillyG lol, I was bored at work, so I went ahead and tried the other browser for the heck of it 
Otherwise at home I only have one browser.
But yay, it does seem back to normal 
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LOL - yah spoke too soon Mandy ! Grrrrr.... poor old admin - the stuff he has to deal with - "upgrades" - yeah.... LOL
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lol, crazy ol' chat! Maybe tomorrow it'll be normal again.
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I'm not only working on it but looking for a better solution.
All advice is very welcome.
"The richest person is not the one who has the most,
but the one who needs the least."
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BillyG said
Yes - @damfino - I've observed "slow" responses to entered messages before they appear in the chat window - seen this from time to time - maybe 20 to 30 seconds - but - my 512k broadband could be a contributor to this ( especially when a Windows or virus update is stealing all my usable bandwidth ! Grrr.... )But this time - it was like minutes - and my post didn;t come up
Unlike you - no - I haven't bothered trying other browsers - I'm on Chrome, on Windows (10 as it happens) and although I have IE, Edge, Opera, Firefox amongst other development browsers I just couldn't find the will to bother trying... LOLOL
Wooo - as I type - I got the gurgle....
Yee Haaaa - "It LIVES"
So I am not the only one here that dabbles in the geek side of things. 
I am not into programming, with PHP and some simple JavaScript now and then, being about as far as I care to go. It would take too much time to go much deeper, and as it is, PHP and JavaScript take too much time for my preferences, It is just that I do find those useful, or see their potential to be useful, for my web sites.
I have written PHP pages, but I decided against going live with them. I am not ready to deal with the constant security risks that would bring. It is one thing to use PHP forum software, that other people write updates for, and writing my own pages, and having to keep up with security issues for those pages on my own.
As for the Chat feature of this board, I am not much into that. I used to chat on mIRC way back in the day, and then with various messengers over the years since, but I do not chat much anymore.
I am more of an open board kinda guy, or PM for one on one conversations.
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Indeed @MACJR - the "geek side" LOL... aye, I'm afraid so...
Yeah - I sort of agree with you about the FiddlerChat. I usually just mark myself as invisible, and disable the "gurgle" sound. The FiddlerMan site is my browser home-page, and it is generally loaded any time I have the browser open ( hahaha - and that's like 12 hours a day ! ) but I usually have other tabs open and I'm not watching either the site or the chat. On occasion I'll tab back, or it just re-appears as I close down other browser tabs.
Usually my only reason for engaging in the chat is either to discuss on-going things with folks I happen to know well, or try, in my own way, to help guests who are beginners and asking for assistance. Oh yes - having the appropriate permissions - I'll also take a minute or so just to check the chat content for anything inappropriate and delete such entries - that's pretty rare but it does happen... The thing that does annoy me about chat in general compared to actual posts like this, is that it is transient - and once gone or scrolled off the screen it's almost impossible to go back to find something that had piqued your interest.
Yeah - over the years I've created a number of web-sites for local B&B businesses - I avoid virtually all 3rd-party scripts or services and usually cast any protection needed from the ground-up, using Perl on the server and some JScript within the HTML. It may be "old-school" but that way, it's "clean" and totally under my control.
Proud to be a geek ! 
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Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)
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The chat engine is powered by a secondary server. I would much rather have the chat engine installed on our own server but I have yet to find a good one. I have experimented with various chat and shout boxes and removed them in the end. I'll bring the subject up with the simple:press team and see if they have any ideas. I believe it would be a great addition to their forum plugin.
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but the one who needs the least."
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I am good with HTML and CSS, those are my strongest skills that come closest to the programming arena. PHP, I have studied a bit, and written some pages with, but I do not know enough to feel comfortable using it on a live web site yet.
I am far more the designer than the programmer. I can make the HTML and CSS do all kinds of interesting things, but programming is a level deeper than I care to go, for the most part.
And yes, like you, @BillyG, I use multiple web browsers with mass numbers of tabs open in most of them. I use different browsers for different things, like one genealogy research, one for social sites like fascistbook (facebook), another browser for web design (Firefox all the way on that one), and Chrome for shopping and research. Yeah, and I know how much Google track users. It is annoying, but I put up with it. It seems we live in an age where the snoops are more than just numerous, they are also in charge. Oh well.
I have been keeping this site open in a Chrome tab since joining, and since Chrome is often open all day on my main PC, that means this board is bubbling away most of the day too.
Turning off the sound for the chat feature does not work for me. It is not a big deal. The bubbles remind me of fish tanks, I used to have a bunch of those when I was younger. I still miss having a bunch of fish swimming about.
As for Chat software, I have never worked with any of those. I have used a few different types of PHP forum software, hosted at one or another of my own sites, but I never looked into using chat for them.
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@MACJR - Thanks
I continually seek to improve the site. I regularly look into improving our options.
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but the one who needs the least."
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Fiddlerman said
@MACJR - Thanks
I continually seek to improve the site. I regularly look into improving our options.
I noticed that you have a hands on relationship with this board. I respect that.
It takes a lot of time and work to run a board. Not many people know just what all is involved with doing something like this. The headaches and the rewards of it all. And I am not even talking about members... that is a whole nother can of worms and bouquet of daisies.
Then you get someone like me, a bit difficult to understand sometimes, but at least not a troll (although that could be a matter of opinion).
MACJR
Personally, I liked tht old chat. the one now sucks. Dont know why it changed.
Ken.
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Fiddlestix said
Personally, I liked tht old chat. the one now sucks. Dont know why it changed.
Ken.
I believe it stopped working with the latest WP Ken.
If you find me one that is better, no one would be happier than I. We spend money on it as well. It costs us $20 a month to have it.
Also, what exactly do you not like about it? Maybe we can make changes.
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OK - @Fiddlerman -recent ( today ) experience - here;s a "trace" of a chat with Mandy - half of the stuff I posted is "missing" - but Mandy, and a guest, saw it. I was able to chat to the guest and to Mandy in PM about it - and that seemed to work - and THEY saw my posts in the main chat... I'm not the only one to have "posts disappear" - even without changing forum pages -
Charles
In case you should actually get on, Pierre, hi.
1 hour ago
damfino
tested for the heck of it: logged out and each time I went to a new forum page I was given a new guest name.
47 minutes ago
damfino
Oh, and lately, when I refresh or go to a new page, the most recent chat posts disappear, and I usually can't see them again for quite a while.
43 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
Oh - hi there folks, Mandy, Charles
38 minutes ago
damfino
hey Billy
37 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
... hmmm - I can't seem to change from "Invisible" to visible....
37 minutes ago
damfino
I can see you
36 minutes ago
damfino
ah, you're gone again
36 minutes ago
damfino
chat has been a little bit buggy
36 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
Oh well...
36 minutes ago
damfino
I can see you again
35 minutes ago
damfino
maybe it's just not showing on your end for some reason
35 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
Ahhh - logeed out - no no I didn't - I closed the FM forum and reopened it - no loggin in or out as such -
34 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
I'm visible now... LOL
34 minutes ago
damfino
no hiding from us
34 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
ROFL ! Was just reading back - it's maybe worth copying these findings into the "Chat Problems" ( or whatever it's called) in the forum...
33 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
How's the holiday going there? All peacful and quiet I hope ?
33 minutes ago
damfino
I think I might post so Pierre and other members know
32 minutes ago
damfino
All good here, how about you?
32 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
Absolutely - just copy and paste the last few posts
32 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
We're fine ! Sitting down to watch ALL episodes of "Northern Exposure" LOLOL
32 minutes ago
damfino
the doctor in Alaska, right?
30 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
Yup !!!!
30 minutes ago
damfino
love that show
30 minutes ago
damfino
I have the 1st season on DVD, still need to get the rest
30 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
I love the intro, with the cool-moose "moon-walking" by ! hahaha
30 minutes ago
damfino
me, too!
30 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
Been working on the DS version of "Raglan Road" - dammit all - Pierre makes it look SO easy !!!!
29 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
Any new pieces there ?
29 minutes ago
damfino
I've been working on Fairy Tail Jig by the Gothard Sisters for a couple weeks. Almost have it. A & C are good, B part I can't get a feel for it yet.
28 minutes ago
damfino
Almost there
28 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
Nice! Yes - it sometimes takes a time to just "get it" that's for sure.... Also been working on a few old Scottish tunes
27 minutes ago
damfino
I've been listening to it over and over, that helps me get it more than playing it.
27 minutes ago
damfino
which Scottish tunes?
26 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
Ahh - The wind that shakes the Barley, Kate Dalrymple, Atholl Highlandrs - and a couple of others
26 minutes ago
damfino
Nice, I'll have to look them up
25 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
I'm fed up trying to lear the old-timeand bluegrass - not that I dislike them - but - I just don't "know" them if you know what I mean
25 minutes ago
damfino
I know what you mean. Knowing a tune helps it be a little easier, and just more fun to learn
24 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
And of course, for these tunes, they are all in my head - hang on - here's a Kate Dalyrmpleon YT - just a minute
24 minutes ago
>>>> some "missing posts" here - I referred to it being payed at somewehere around 160bpm or faster
damfino
I want to learn to play You Are My Sunshine just because my grandma used to sing it all the time.
23 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
23 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
Awww.. that's nice !
23 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
Yes - I have "missing posts" - I wrote and posted something about it being at least 160 bpm - I don;t see my post
22 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
And I don;t see THAT post either....
22 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
Yup chat is bust
22 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
Last thing I see is the YT video link I posted...
21 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
...still nothing
21 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
Nope... and still not seeing anything I post
20 minutes ago
<<< above - NONE of these last few posts were visible to me as I typed them - they ONLY appeared back once I closed the FM tab ( not logging out) and re-opened it (without logging in - it remembers me - "usually" but not always...)
BillyG (me)
PM me pls Mandy if you are seeing any of my posts...
20 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
OK - Thank you Mandy and guest(s) - gonna log all the way out and back in... see if the "missing posts" appear or not
17 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
OK - I closed the actual FM forum tab on the browser, and opened a new tab to the forum - no logging in or out involved - now I see all my previous posts !
10 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
Ahhh... no - NOT ALL - I did post a "thank you" to Mandy and a guest HERE - and it, my very last post ain't showing...
9 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
Yup, chat is definitely "fragile" to say the least
9 minutes ago
damfino
most recent post of yours I see is that post is fragile, but your thankyou (which I did read) is gone, lol
8 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
WOW !!! But you saw it earlier ( the thank you post ) ?
7 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
Well, I wouldn;t pay money for this....
3 minutes ago
damfino
yep, I saw it, but changed pages and it went away. Changed pages again and my post is gone, lol
2 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
Ha !
2 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
Piece of (expletive deleted)
1 minute ago
BillyG (me)
Used to be fine
1 minute ago
damfino
yeah, it was sometime last week it started doing this. I saw a bunch of kids posting gibberish and random swearing post one day, deleted a bunch of posts, and each time I came back more old ones would reappear. It was a little annoying trying to clean up the chat when I couldn't see all their nonsense, haha
3 minutes ago
BillyG (me)
Yes - I caught some of that maybe around the same time - I just deleted it as well
<<< and that last post wasn't there when I did a page-refresh in the browser...
---- OK ---- I appreciate this doesn't help - but it does exhibit the ( or some of the ) issues people are currently having.... It is quite possible that actual guests (i.e. NOT "members who are not logged-in" - of which I'm sure we have a fair number ) don;t see their posts either and "give it up as being pointless"
I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes. D'oh -
Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)
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I get the message.
Seriously though, help me find a better alternative. This is costly as well as deficient.
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but the one who needs the least."
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Well, the short test we had tonite with you @Fiddlerman, @coolpinkone @damfino and @gruff seemed largely to be OK... fingers crossed....
There is certainly some issue with the current chatwee chat thing - I mean we "members" are aware of the issues and are prepared to deal with it - guests may not - and just "give up" and go... ( when there is always the possibility of talking them into the insanity that is the FiddlerMan forum - I mean - I do that in their best interests - they may not know it at the time of course ! )
Heck, I'm just baaaaad ! 
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Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)
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There are many settings on the new chat as well. I will tweek it. For example, I can choose to have the log in be strictly a WordPress single log-in. At this point you can choose between 5 options.
Guest
Sign in with a Guest name.
Chatroll
Sign in with a Chatroll account.
Facebook
Sign in with a Facebook account.
Twitter
Sign in with a Twitter account.
Single Sign-On (WordPress, Joomla, etc.)
I can choose who can delete messages and who cannot. Perhaps it should just be the admins who can do it. What do you guys think?
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I would leave deletions to admins only.
Although having said that, is there an option that allows a (non admin) user to just delete their OWN message (but no-one else's) by any chance ?
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Agreed that only admins should be able to delete.
Is logging in with WordPress a current option, or one that is available for you to add? I don't see it on mine, and is why I ask. I created a Chatroll account so I don't have to link my facebook or twitter to it.
But so far I like the new chat
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