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The Broken
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June 19, 2011 - 8:17 am

If this is the BREAKROOM then this is the BROKEN.  Violin was sitting on a box and exploded overnight.  All by itself.
The instrument was out of warranty.

The break was very clean so I made a simple fixture and reset the neck using household gelatin.

So far so good …. if it holds !

The violin body is Kevlar and I'm not convinced that it works well in a glue situation.

PS   If you zoom in on picture (right click), you can "skate" around the image.

 

 

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June 19, 2011 - 4:38 pm
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I don't know how well this would work with a violin, but when I worked with kevlar and carbon fiber, we always used a 2-part epoxy to hold things together. The stuff was pretty noxious, but it ended up being pretty strong.

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June 19, 2011 - 5:58 pm

The mystery is what the manufacturer used in the first place ?  There was no evidence of any bonding adhesive on either piece.  There MAY have been a very thin, ( 0.003" ?) clear, glaze on the mating surfaces

Also, the usual violin practice is to use a glue that permits taking things apart later which hide glue does well  i.e. reverse with elevated temperatures.  ( maybe 150 degrees )

I may have to go to a permanent 2 part adhesive if the gelatin doesn't hold but at least I will have tried it and, hopefully, it will also fail-safe the next time (not while I'm playing it!).

 

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June 19, 2011 - 10:03 pm
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I'll ask my Luthier friend what one should use. I know that he glued the ribs, back and belly with a heat glue that I think he made himself. I'll see what I can find out.

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June 19, 2011 - 11:50 pm
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If that happened in my house I would blame the cats, or if it happened this summer the heat. Actually is the pieces were attached with a hot glue heat may be a problem. Hot glue failure is a real issue where I live. 

 

I hope you gelatin repair holds, but if it does not you might be able to use hot glue with a very high melting point. Good luck with it.

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June 24, 2011 - 3:40 pm

It's about 4-5 days since I used the hot gelatine and all looks good.  I had also installed a dowel in the joint to further strengthen the junction and maybe that is helping.

I have no idea how long all this glue has to last until it is past some critical point ?

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June 24, 2011 - 11:06 pm
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Seems like you did a good job then. Happy to hear it.

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