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Jim Dunleavy
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November 21, 2021 - 3:19 pm
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I've been working on the Gm section of the Bouree from Suzuki Bk3 and this is where I'm at at the moment.

Comments, critique etc would be appreciated. 

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Katie L
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November 21, 2021 - 3:51 pm
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Really good!! Enjoyed listening to that. How long have you been playing for?

 

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JohnG
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Being neither skilled nor familiar with the piece, all I can say is great! There is no way I can criticize or suggest, so just keep it up!

The old curmudgeon!

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November 21, 2021 - 5:06 pm
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sounds great Jim!  

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cant criticize jim I am not as good as you. I am glad you posted this as I now know what it actually sounds like, especially when played well, I can play the first part but didnt really know how the second bit sounded,  I was a bit baffled when it changed key, so thanks for posting, lovely sound. Your bow pressure, spèed and tone, as well as relaxed presure towards the end and beginning of each stroke really are  lovely to listen to. Not to mention your intonation which is excellent, cant fault it, I would love to hear it again in a few months. Thats the kind of playing I am aiming for especially intonation and bow pressure which I fail on.

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ELCBK
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November 21, 2021 - 7:48 pm
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@Jim Dunleavy -

FABULOUS! 

It's very obvious you improved your bowing and settled down to getting serious! 

Sounds wonderful, Jim - I'm very Impressed! 

 

My 2 cents, for what little it's worth, now that you've got the mechanics out of the way, maybe ask yourself - "what makes this piece sound like Bach?"

I could be mistaken, but believe you might just be slurring in some places that shouldn't be. 🤔 Don't think Bach is supposed to sound as nice & smooth as you play it. (lol) 

I only have this to use as a reference, certainly NOT saying this is the perfect way to play it - just using for an example: 

Bourrée - Suzuki Violin Book 3

This might be of some help - Fidderman mentions:

Exaggerate dynamics and make every single note count. Sometimes we feel as though we are playing dynamics but in order for others to hear them, we need to do much more.

https://fiddlerman.com/tutoria.....ing-grace/

 

 

I hope that some day I can play as well as you do!

Thank you for sharing your videos and your progress - I've really learned a great deal from all this. 🥰

- Emily

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Jim Dunleavy

Sounding very good,

Thank you for posting.

Mark

Master the Frog and you have mastered the bow.

Albert Sammons

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BillyG
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clapclapclap @Jim Dunleavy !

Well done, enjoyed listening !

I seriously recommend not copying my mistakes. D'oh - guntohead.JPG

Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)

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Jim Dunleavy
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Thanks for all the kind comments folks.

@katie m I've been playing about 7 years now.

@stringy There are plenty of tutorials and demonstrations for the Suzuki version on youtube. Most of them are slightly different to my copy in the Gm section in that they replace some of the Eb s with E naturals - I'm assuming it's to simplify the left hand, as they don't sound quite right to my ear. I'm playing the part I downloaded which has mostly Eb (there are some legitimate E naturals though).

@ELCBK I'm playing all the dynamics, bowing, slurs etc as per the part I've got; these may well all be editorial though, as in my experience the Bach originals don't have much in the way of slurs or dynamics marked. You've inspired me to go and check out as original a cello version as I can find though, to see what the differences (if any) are. As you say, I'm not really bringing out the dynamics as much as I should, so I'll work on that.

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I've found an edition by Anna Magdalena Bach, who apparently was Bach's wife, so presumably knew how he wanted it played. There are a few slurs marked, but nowhere near as many as on my edition. However, there are clear reminder flats marked on those Eb s that Suzuki has E naturals on, so it's clearly a Suzuki simplification, as I suspected.

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@Jim Dunleavy -

I've always loved this piece, so you've really stirred up my interest! 

Found this - goes over the specifics, using the last sheet music you just found. 

...might be of interest to you. 

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