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I redid dives and lazarus on leccy a month back
Redid it and posted it below the original, want to know how anyone thinks it can be improved, thanks all
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July 5, 2025 - 6:49 am
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I am not talking about bow arm position by the way, I have just had some excellent advice from a fiddle player on you tube about that, she said for slow ones use the wrist a bit more and for fast ones have the arm right against the body,  did say though that a lot of fiddle playing is developing your own style such as bow hold, this got me thinking about what others ideas maybe so plonked it here, I am still a rank beginner but a bit set in my ways with some things unfortunately now, I listen to any advice though such as fiddlermans great one about down bows, which isnt always obvious with irish type playing.

 

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@stringy I am not one who knows anything about technique, etc. I do notice if there is a change, most of the time. 

When I listened to and watched this I noticed a big difference in the sound. It may be because it is different, but you have played others at this speed and this definitely has a much smoother sounding bow. I heard the notes better. You said you posted the first version of this on legacy or something, so I would not have heard, but compared the sound you are getting here and the other ones posted on the forum, this is very polished.

I was listening to the long strokes, the rhythm, etc, again, my terms may not be correct, but this was fabulous with the bowing, and I liked the tune. 

You might get more useful feedback from someone who knows exactly what to listen and watch for, but from what I heard, and saw, there is a big difference. Hope this is helpful.

I am going to go back through your videos posted on the forum and see if it was posted on the forum earlier. If you did, could you tell me where?

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Thanks mouse, I posted this in the lament party, but, I originally posted it for my tik tok followers  so maybe I tried a bit harder  for them, I also was a bit more relaxed than normal  because I was trying harder, odd I know  but usually I play a lot more nervously for this forum probably because I know people on here play violin  my playing goes out the window, I really want fiddlermans opinion on this one  As well as others though, the fiddle by the way only cost 180 quid  abitrusty has seen this one already I think

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Hand in hand with what I always told my students. That no matter how many lessons you take, you are your greatest teacher. You spend so much time playing by yourself, on your own, that you need to learn to analyze your every note, pressure, bow position, hand/arm/shoulder...... When something works, you keep it and improve on it.
I never criticize a bow hold position if a player is successful. A successful incorrect bow hold is way better than an unsuccessful correct hold. lol

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Fiddlerman thanks for the reply, of course what you say is correct, I do try to do all the things you said but maybe i should try a touch harder. My bow hold itself when most relaxed I don't use my little finger at all  I find it locks my wrist  but in saying that I am not playing classical  thanks for taking a look and reminding me to think more about what i am doing  good advice

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REVERB!  ...everything sounds better with reverb. 😂  

Seriously, I LOVE IT!  I can tell you've been working on this & really shows! 🤗

 

I can't say much, except my personal philosophy when I think sad/mournful 🤔... one place where I want to focus on expression is in the bowing of those longest notes.  The stroke can be exaggerated, lengthened by borrowing a tiny amount time either before or after.  I can try to put some m...O...A...n into it!  It's the best place I have time to consider everything possible from the beginning of that note's bow stroke, how it can change in the middle & how I want it to feel at the end.  

I know I think about things too much, but where dance music needs to be LOUD & have a driving rhythm, a lament is like the opposite to me - most are slow airs (and YOU did not play this too loud, or driving 🥰).  There's many times I don't want the full bow weight on a string.  AND, if I'm sad, or longing/reminiscing, I'm probably not moving more than a slow walk - if too slow I might as well sit down, so I think of that in terms of tempo.  Swells of emotion seem to go hand-in-hand with anything sad.  There's a reason slow airs are played with rubato - we aren't marching or dancing anywhere.  Sadness thru music.  

 

I'm really glad you posted this here... I'm so grateful we can talk about bowing!  NO one plays the same (NO one teaches the same) & I always learn something from this - plus 'I' have NO WHERE ELSE to discuss this candidly with folks that have different experiences & views, from different styles of playing!  

I was feeling bad we were discussing bowing in your 'share' thread.  I didn't want to take anything away from the fact you shared your playing of 'Get Up Early'.  I did learn that tune (thank you), hope others will, too - and, btw... I have no idea why the EXACT SAME TUNE, only in Ador, is called 'The Rakes of Kildare'!!!  

 

It's mind-blowing how many things we have to figure out for playing the fiddle!   

I am learning, just like you! 

ABitRusty mentioned (in the 'Get Up Early' thread) seeing great Fiddlers playing mostly in the upper half of the bow - and YES, I have seen them too.  Thought about it a lot - we DO have to play in a way that's comfortable for each of us.  Think there are many variables, including: what each of us wants to sound like, size of Fiddler, length of one's arm/position it feels relaxed, how responsive/loud a fiddle is, weight/balance point & responsiveness of a bow... maybe more.  

IMHO, for rhythmic bowing used in ITM (also for dynamics & expressive, but natural articulation), there should be EQUAL (if not more) spotlight on practicing slurs & slurred string crossings.  

I'm sure many folks don't have to think about the ergonomics of bowing, but I do (maybe more prone to aches & pains, fatigue) - it can make a big difference.  String crossings at the tip takes more bow arm movement than nearer the frog... but probably only matters when playing fast. 

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