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I was scraping the rather thick finish off a probably Chinese made "free" bow and ended up getting a speck of the finish material in my mouth. It tasted sweet. That sets off a warning flag in my head that some of the finishes on the assorted inexpensive violins and bows might contain lead acetate, which is still used in many parts of the world to speed drying.
Sealed in a finish like that, I don't *think* it would be a hazard to adults, except maybe being worth a bit of extra caution and a dust mask and proper disposal if refinishing. But I thought of the assorted "cute" vids I've seen of toddlers with those teeny 1/32 or whatever violins. It might seem like a cool idea to parents wanting to encourage an early interest in music, but I think there might be some chance that the finish and possibly the coloring materials may not actually be safe for small children who might put the instrument or bow in their mouth. If someone did want to give a small violin to a small child as a gift, it might be an idea to call the local board of environmental health. Take the instrument in to their office and they have a scanner that could tell if there are heavy metals in it and if they are at a level high enough to be concerned about. It wouldn't hurt or mar the instrument at all, and then you'd know for sure it was safe.
There have been some problems over the years with Chinese manufacturers using lead-containing pigments and finishes even on items marketed as children's toys. I really doubt the rules about such things even address musical instruments, so it might be better to be safe than sorry.
I doubt anyone here would let a toddler chew on an antique violin or bow, but any finished wood made before recent years might have lead or other heavy metals in the pigments or finish.
Most of the worry would be from small children chewing on the finished wood or (lower risk) repeatedly handling such an item and then putting their fingers in their mouth or etc.
I may be worrying about nothing here, but I figured I should kick the idea up in case it may be of interest to anyone. We had lead problems with my youngest child, and had to do some lead removal of old paint on some window frames, so I tend to maybe be a bit more likely to worry about such things than average.
"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman



As a buyer obtaining product world-wide, I have worked for companies that deliberately keep away from Chinese products as other companies experiences have been that if the correct material has not been available, or another material is cheaper, it may have been used as a substitute.
That maybe ok if you are making children's toys, but if your parts are safety critical, for automobile braking systems or aircraft parts, you cannot afford to risk it.
And materials that are banned in the US or UK may not be so in China, as per the lead paint case a while ago.
The amount in one bow, if used at all, may not be a problem, but I try never to put in my mouth anything that I don't know what it is, or it's origin. It's called common-sense and self-preservation
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Ok... either I don't have common sense or I'm stuck in a toddler phase because I put my bow in my mouth probably every practice... You know when clicking on accomp. music mp3's, a video or trying to rearrange my music sheets on my music stand. Instead of putting down the bow to use my hands I keep the violin on shoulder and bit my bow gently then use my hands. I've been careful of course to not leave teeth marks on the bow. I have no idea if my bow is chinese or not though...
"It can sing like a bird, it can cry like a human being, it can be very angry, it can be all that humans are" Maxim Vengerov
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The question would be whether it would be better marketing to sell flavored bows or some sort of drops or maybe something like a chapstick that could be applied to the bow stick. I can see it now...
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"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman
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You guys MUST have grown up in the "lead-era!" .....but so did I and this all sounds great!!
Funny thing is, after playing out this last time by a campfire, my violin smelled like smoke/campfire for about 2 weeks!! It drove me crazy!! I finally had to let it sit out of my case for a few days to air out! But still, every now and then, if I hit a note just right, you get the aroma of campfire!
Maybe you can come up with f-hole air fresheners as well as the flavored bows & rosins!!! I would DEFINITELY buy those!!!!
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” ~Benjamin Franklin






No no no.. don't get *rid* of the campfire smell.
Just compose 'Campfire Sonata for Violin in G major" or something, and when you play it and people actually smell a campfire for a few seconds, they will think you are just that amazing! "Such evocative music.. Why for a moment, I could almost actually smell the campfire.."
"This young wine may have a lot of tannins now, but in 5 or 10 years it is going to be spectacular, despite the fact that right now it tastes like crude oil. You know this is how it is supposed to taste at this stage of development." ~ Itzhak Perlman

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DanielB said
No no no.. don't get *rid* of the campfire smell.Just compose 'Campfire Sonata for Violin in G major" or something, and when you play it and people actually smell a campfire for a few seconds, they will think you are just that amazing! "Such evocative music.. Why for a moment, I could almost actually smell the campfire.."
LOL, I never thought about that!! I'll definitely use it!! Maybe next time I play out, I'll hand out marshmallows!!
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” ~Benjamin Franklin
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