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Horse Head violin
replacing a neck
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SaraO
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I've gotten a few decent violins from ebay as well. Some sellers do offer returns, and other instruments are worth the gamble.

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You want to ask if the purfling is real or painted on. The seller may not be able to tell but a close-up will tell all. If the wood grain matches up going through the middle of the purfling them it's painted on and if the bee sting is uneven then it's painted on. Look for the grain in the top. If at the seams there looks like a white line, the seam is opening.  On cheap violins the end pin will not be dead center and on a good quality the scroll will be even and gracefull.  You really can't judge at all by labels. They fall off and are swapped. I saw listed one time old labels made to look like the old great violins printed on old looking paper.

Fred go for it. Even if you get a violin for $50.00 and it is a bad one you can learn from working on it. If it doesn't work out you have at least learned what you can do with violins, what works and what doesn't.  You will enjoy doing it and we are always here to help you.

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how the hell did you got 4 violins for a hundred bucks??!!! awesome horsehead btw!!

cheers! - ⁰ℨ

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Kevin -  almost two weeks later, and I can tell you that I have successfully taken your advice and been having a BALL!!!!!  I've bought 4 old violins on ebay along with quite a few spare/repair part.  I got my 4 violins for $98, $206, $242, & $660. 

The $98 - once cleaned & setup (which I'm now learning to do & it's not too tough at all, in fact, I love doing it, so I can be as meticulous & exact as my up tight, high strung heart desires, lol) should sell to a student for a couple hundred

The $206 - I haven't much looked at yet

The $242 -  a violin that sells in shops new for $2100; it's in perfect condition & my teacher has a buyer for it when it's cleaned up, for $950

The $660 - is the most incredible story of all (to me) (& I'll keep it as short as possible). Fortunately for me, the seller lives 20 mins from me & he was happy to let me see it before I bid (a very nice upstanding guy; he bought it a few months earlier at a local estate sale for $18).  When I saw it, I was astounded at how the body resonated when I tapped it in various spots (no nut, no strings, no tailpiece, no bridge), but it sang.  All the accompanying pieces (dates on cases & storage tags) led me to conclude that this was a legitimate late 17th/early 18th century instrument. I was so excited that when I got home, I spent 9hrs researching everything I could track down about it, even as far as the date & inventor of the very unique shoulder rest that was attached & was patented.  Once I was done for the day, I knew I had to win this bid & I clearly had an advantage.  So, the morning of the close, I saw the price rise from $60 to $450; and 15 seconds before the close, I put in my max bid of $2127.27; and WON!  I was so ecstatic I picked it up that night on my way home; spent 4hrs (til 1am) cleaning it, fitting a bridge & nut & tailpiece & stringing it and adjusting the sound post.  The bow is beautiful but all the hairs are deteriorated so my first bow stroke was with my bow.  It raised the hair on my neck and arms.  It was like nothing I've ever heard before.  The next day, I rushed it over to my teacher to play.  Within half a dozen strokes his face lit up and he made a salacious comment having to do with the violin making love back, lmao.  His final comment was, "I've played some very expensive violins,,, this is the most incredible sound I've yet to hear in person".  Denny did a sound analysis on it and concurs that it's a great sound (I don't know his exact conclusion).  So in the next month I'm going to take it to one of the best appraisers on the West Coast to see what he thinks.  Regardless of the finding, I'm not selling it & I will continue to be overwhelmed by it's sound & playability for a long time I hope.  I've never had (not that I have very much experience, lol) a violin, so clearly tell me when I was off pitch.  Btw, my wife wishes I would gush over her the way I do about this violin, lmao!  Soon, I will do a vid of it so you can see/hear it.

So Kevin, I am so grateful that you urged me to just try it.  I am loving it & hope to make enough money to support my new habit.

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 wow....wow... magnificent obsession.  I am in awe..... good for you... how wonderful to be consumed in your passion and find good fortune and a diamond in the rye.

...that is one of those.."there are some things that money can't buy moments.."  you seem to have stumbled upon it.

 

Congrats for you new infatuation and love... tell wifey...time to pick up the fiddle dear.... and let the addiction bite !!!

Vibrato Desperato.... Desperately seeking vibrato

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Fred,

It seems you caught my bug.  Soon you will be thinking nothing of taking the top off a violin or a fingerboard off.  It is actually easy to do and fun to learn to do it.

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Kevin, I HAVE the obsession, lol.

A question for you and anyone else who's done this.... one of my new violins (actually it's about 150yrs old, but new to me) has sort of a unique end pin.  Instead of the head being round, it's more oval with the narrow middle being flatter (sort of like a mild cleat).  Anyway, it seems to be a bit loose and if I tighten the strings, it appears to be pulling the end pin slightly upward.  So I backed off the tension until I can replace it.

So,,, should it just pull out, or do I twist it out, do you think it was glued in place or just wedged in; when I replace it I know I need to fit the new pin in so that all of the post is imbedded & only the head is showing, but do I cut off the excess pin or just leave it inside the body; and do I use horsehide glue to glue it in place or just wedge it into the hole as you would a tuning peg?????

I know these are probably stupid questions if you've done this before, but this is my first.  I appreciate some advice.

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Hey Fred! Great post!
And you know that the only stupid question is the one that doesn't get asked!

I am amazed at how old people of my age are.....

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Fred,

The end pin is held exactly like a peg. They do get worn out the way you describe.  They are not glued in but just pushed in. When they are right they don't have to be pushed in hard at all and they stay right there.  Now you get to buy your first violin tools. A peg hole reamer and a peg shaver.  First clean up the peg hole with the reamer and then shave the peg down so it fits just right into the hole. Just right means a slight tap with your hand to go the last little bit in.  Do not cut down the length, the excess just remains inside but they aren't too long at all.

I have a twisted cutter peg reamer which I believe makes a nicer cut but you have to be careful with it as it tries to screw itself in and you can go too deep very quickly so you might consider a straight flute ream to start with.  Next the peg shaver. There are two basic types. One looks like a pencil sharpener and has holes for 4/4 3/4 1/2. These work well but you have to first shave the peg and then set the hole to fit the peg. If the hole is worn out you then have to bush it first. The better peg shaver for repairing violins is an adjustable shaver.  With this type you fix the holes and then set the pegs to fit the hole.  With these two tools you can repair most of the common problems with violins.

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That's GREAT instruction Kevin,,, very clear; thank you so much!  You know, there's a book that seems to be the ultimate violin restoration bible by Hans Weisshaar, but it's like $325,,,,, just for the book,,,, no strippers or happy endings,,,, just the book!!!!  So I'm trying to piecemeal notes from various sources that seem reputable.  So your instruction will go into those notes.

And so far I have a post gauge & setter, dental mirror & picks, jewelers files, and micro plane; I've been trying to decide what reamer & shaver to get, because, as you said, there are a couple different styles,,, and they aren't cheap.

Thanks Kevin!

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I've been doing more research and discovered another incredible resource that seems to be free (I tried to find a way to pay for it/buy it with no luck.... I think it's a "teaser" to get you to buy the book when it's published, which I will, assuming it's not a $300 book, lol).  But this is the most concise instruction I've yet found for setup http://www.darntonviolins.com/...../setup.pdf

And I found this link at http://violinmag.com/

You know, I can't find a Forum subject dealing with instrument making/restoration/repair and I wonder if it would be appropriate for all of us interested in learning/discussing this other of our violin/fiddle love; there could be some great contributors here on Forum already.

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