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I recently bought a new Eastman violin which I love very much and I am using to practice and learn on and I am very happpy with.
But, I also still have my old violin that I learned on when I was a kid. My parents bought it for me back around 1967 when i was in grade school and was taking lessons at school and playing in the school orchestra. Over the years the old fiddle fell into disrepair. The sound post fell out and was lost, the nut and fingerboard fell off and the nut was lost.
Recently I decided it would be nice to restore the old violin as there are many old memories attached. So I ordered some materials from a Luthier. I ordered some hide glue which I used to reattach the fingerboard and that repair came out very nice. I bought a new nut and carved it to fit and glued it in place. Now the hard part. I bought some stock soundpost material and a sound post setter. But man oh man... am I having a heck of a time trying to carve and fit a new post. I am trying to shape it to the proper curvature and fit between the top and bottom. Perhaps I should have bought a sound post measuring tool as well, or perhaps I can make one. Or, maybe I should just have a luthier do it for me. Has anyone out here managed to successfully carve and fit a sound post ? Or would I best leave this to the experts who do this as their profession ? Is this generally an expensive repair ?
Once the sound post it in the rest is easy. New bridge, new strings, new tailpiece, new chin rest and viola' the old fiddle will live again. And the memories attached to this violin. Getting yelled at by my teacher, playing in the orchestra on concert night, trudging with it to and from school in the snow, rain, hot and cold.

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Good for you fixing up your old fiddle! I wish more players would take the plunge and give it a try
Patience is the key to fitting a sound post. Have you looked at any online tutorials? Using the post setter is the hardest part - tie a string on it so you can retrieve it easily when it falls (or when you take it down to try again.) Perfect fit is well worth the time it takes to get it right - it is the "soul" of the violin, after all.
Mary in Springfield, Oregon http://www.thefiddleandbanjopr.....dpress.com

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Good for you fixing up your old fiddle! I wish more players would take the plunge and give it a try
Patience is the key to fitting a sound post. Have you looked at any online tutorials? Using the post setter is the hardest part - tie a string on it so you can retrieve it easily when it falls (or when you take it down to try again.) Perfect fit is well worth the time it takes to get it right - it is the "soul" of the violin, after all.
Thank you. The way I see it the more I learn about violin repair the better. I would even like to learn to build a violin. I looked at a tutorial on http://www.violins.ca which explains the basics behind cutting and fitting the post.. I like your idea of using a string to retreive the post. Part of the headache was struggling to shake the sound post through the F holes each time it fell. The string idea should help. I'll give it a try and keep everyone posted (no pun intended) as to how it works out.

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If you use something thin like sewing thread it will be easier to cut off once the post is set. I have a German trade fiddle in my shop right now that has a thick string (looks waxed) tied to the top end of the sound post and cut off just inside the FF holes so it doesn't show from the outside. It's wound three times around the post - overkill, IMHO, but I've only had to set one so far...
Mary in Springfield, Oregon http://www.thefiddleandbanjopr.....dpress.com

OKay here are some tricks to make this easier. A measurind tool an be made from a metal coat hanger. Take a look at how they are made and bend up two pieces of coat hanger to match that shape making sure that the handle part id inline with the measuring part. This way you can see the position from oustdide the violin. After bending the two pieces together just wrap some wire around the two so they stay together. Put it into the violin in the right position and having your hot glue gun ready put a drop of hot glue on the measurer so it stays at that measurement. Now you have the length. To get the angle is much simpler. People try to measure the angle from inside but the angle from the outside is the same so take your soundpost and cut it a little long then put it on top in the position you want and sand it until the angle is correct and the post is straight up. Use a pencil and mark the post for the top and which side faces the side of the violin. Turn the post over and do the same on the back keeping the post facing in the same dirrection and sand the angle until it is both correct and the post is the correct length. Now the real trick putting it in without a soundpost setter. Get yourself a flex straw. the kind you drink from that has the bend thing in it. passt a string through the straw and then back again making a loop at one end and two loose ends at the other. put the soundpost through the loop and pull the strings taught. Now you can bend the staw and insert the sound post and straw into the violin get it into postion then just release the tension on the string and pull out the straw and the string leaving the post with no string on it. You could use small copper tubing or who know what in place of the straw but it makes it fast and easy. Good luck and let us know if this helps.

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Nice tips, Kevin! The straw would ensure that you didn't leave any scratch marks at the FF hole, too!
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Wow!
I love the way it sounds like Star Trek when you hit the functions.
I'll check for a similar app on Iphone
Great post, can I send you a recording of my 2 violins for a comparison or do you have to connect to the instrument in some way.
Maybe you could beam them over lol
I am amazed at how old people of my age are.....

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Wow!
I love the way it sounds like Star Trek when you hit the functions.
I'll check for a similar app on Iphone
Great post, can I send you a recording of my 2 violins for a comparison or do you have to connect to the instrument in some way.
Maybe you could beam them over lol
Found one called ianalyse. The lite version is free and gives you a 3D block diagram of your recording. The other, pucker varieties go from£40 to £70 per App ($60-$100! For an iPhone app, Jeez!!!!
I'm gonna try my freebie version on my violins
I am amazed at how old people of my age are.....

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free version is not too hot!
my first recording lastest 20 seconds, after that you only get 10 seconds. Maybe the full version is better.
here's an example of the "off-post" recording.
to get a comparison I would have to do 2 seperate recordings and play them side by side.
But then, that wouldn't still tell me the optimum position for the bad soundpost.
I am amazed at how old people of my age are.....

C'mon people, I think this whole business of "Spectrum Analizers", is getting a bit too technical. People are downloading special software just to move a sound post. I think the business of learning to play the violin is what "Fiddlerman" website is all about, not relocating sound posts and such, that's the job for an experienced Luthier.
Folks are gonna be moving sound posts all around the inside of their instruments and then losing them inside the violin, maybe they can retrieve them, maybe they can't and end up taking them to a Luthier to be reset.
The business at hand here in this site is to learn to play, Learn to play Twinkle, Twinkle , and a few other songs proficiently, then worry about the quality of sound.
I called my Luthier before I posted and asked him if he used a Spec. Analizer, he just chuckled and said no and he doesn't know of a Luthier who does, he just uses his ears. I'm not possitive about this, but I don't think "Stradivarius" used any sophisticated equiptment when he made his violin's. There are too many beginning players that i've seen on video's who can't hear when they play a note off key.
Those are my thoughts and opinion's, for what they're worth, which is probably not much, but that's just me.
Keep practiceing and the better you become at playing, the better the sound from your violin will be.<<< EEEK....
<<<< mmmmm, how sweet it sounds now.

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Just a little uncertainty about the spectrum:
1 Have you adopted a spectral criteria for a preferred sound post location ? What should the individual note spectra look like ?
2 I am assuming that your signal transducer is a microphone ?
3 I believe that the standard sound post location is 3 mm behind the bridge. Are you finding that to be true ?
IMHO I think the location of a sound post by frequency response is a great idea if one is set up for that and I would expect that such a systematic approach would far exceed the accuracy of a human operator.
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