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Theres lots of chat about mixing and recording lately.  Some things about inputs and gain and levels and clipping may be easier to see and hear than read about.   Heres some rusty sounding takes at various levels to demonstrate what increasing the level from a mic does if its set too high.  

Same distance from mic each time. 

There are several places in the chain from the mic to speakers/headphones than can adjust the level of signal.  The most important is where the physical cable plugs into the audio interface.  Input 2 here.

 

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Im pretty impressed with the new Notion smartphone app.  Here is an exame of downloading a midi file from the session and opening in notion mobile.   From there I change the instrument sound.  I think its easier to play along with than the default midi keyboard.   Hopefully i can find where to adjust the dotted sounding rhythm within notion.

 

Heres the exported mp3 of the above file after I quantized to Notion.  

 

Ill make a screen grab of how to do that next time.  

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@ABitRusty Thanks for the info.  Seems like a handy app—definitely sounds better than the midi file. 

I might check it out & download to my Ipad.  I use my Ipad now for Musescore playback & for piano accompaniment video recordings I capture off of YouTube. 

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Here is a video of what is a normal routine when I record something.   This IS NOT to suggest anything...its just what I do.  And all the recording and mixing and gear doesnt replace actual PRACTICE.  I have no illusions of the quality, but I enjoy doing it.  And it seems there may be others that do as well so here is what I do for them to take a peek at.

The tune is Roscoes Waterfall written by Jay Ungar.  In the video Ive already recorded the parts.   I DID Not use a metronome when I ayed the fiddle and it will show when I try to back it on guitar so excuse that if you can.  It was just to make the video.  

Also, the sound quality is messy but its something to do with the creen recorder audio to presonus connection.  when i feel like researching ill try and either fix that or get a better app.  Ill also include a copy of the audio exported from presonus WITH and WITHOUT EQ and Reverb so you can compare on your own.

Again, this isnt a sales pitch to do any of this...its for anyone that is thinking about it.  Hopefully the video will show theres not alot to it as far as getting going.  Id say theres a long period of time to get good ( no claims to that ) at it.  Theres enty of pro videos you can watch, this is just how Ive been doing it.

 

Here is the presonus output of mix WITH eq and reverb as in video. 

 

And without

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Gotta link this blog to the Recording section - GREAT TUTORIALS! 

Appreciate the extra info on Gain.  Does it make any difference if physically plugged in with a cable, or are there less issues with gain if using Bluetooth?

Why did you click on the 3#s at the end of your "Changing Instrument Sound" video?  I can't tell what that did or changed. 

 

Asked Kevin to check our Fire Tablets tomorrow to see if the Notion app can be downloaded. 

All very exciting! 

THANK YOU! 

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Ill look but i think it was a fat finger.   was just an extra touch of the screen.

The three #'s are where you change the key.  by default the midi is imported in C.  so alot of naturals will be on the notation.  If you go in and click the 3 # button you can change to correct key and all will be normal notation wise.

Do you mean listening with bluetooth headphones?   There would be latency issues if recording with bluetooth headphones...but after you record you could just move the track left on the timeline by however late you were in real time.  Thats IF playing along to a backing track.  Imagine a click of a metronome and clapping to it.  If you were recording that clap by listening to bluetooth..once you went into look at it on presonus the metronome click would be slightly before your actual recorded clap due to the latency of when you heard it over bluetooth vs when it was actually generated.   Easy fix.   just drag your recording left till it lines up.

  

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@ABitRusty - Thanks especially for clipping and EQ/Reverb posts above. Very helpful and I've added links to them in my Studio One thread!

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@ABitRusty -

Thank you. 

I have a bluetooth transmitter & receiver to use on my violin & amp - was wondering if that would cause any issues. 

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ELCBK said
@ABitRusty -

Thank you. 

I have a bluetooth transmitter & receiver to use on my violin & amp - was wondering if that would cause any issues. 

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f8/b0/6a/f8b06a335cfeb38285fd21e611fd52f6.jpg

  

Its just what Ive experienced.  I shouldnt generalize it as fact probably.

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@ABitRusty - Thanks especially for clipping and EQ/Reverb posts above. Very helpful and I've added links to them in my Studio One thread!

  

welcome!  When i purchased my first interface and tried using it, i clipped everything..couldnt figure out how to hear what i was recording.. had no clue .. called sweetwater a few times for instructions for different things..fun stuff.  

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@ABitRusty -

Thank you. 

I have a bluetooth transmitter & receiver to use on my violin & amp - was wondering if that would cause any issues. 

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f8/b0/6a/f8b06a335cfeb38285fd21e611fd52f6.jpg

  

@elcbk i got to thinking.. youll be listening to the amp not through headphones.  different animal there.  Youll probably be fine.  just try it! dunno...thats the real answer.  I would expect there to be a small delay from time you bow till time you hear on amp... but maybe not enough to be distracting.

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@ABitRusty -

Thanks. 

No headphones, but I'd like to still be able to use one of my Oladance bluetooth open earbuds if I need to follow a track to play with - suppose it will be interesting to find out. 🎃

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Didnt get a chance to do much music wise last week.  Tonight I was able to sit down with fiddle for a few minutes and just played this.  Its at a very slow lazy pace and anyone who knows the tune will find it painfully slow probably..but it felt good to just do anything.   Ive put a screen shot of a setting by JackB from the session so thank you Jack.  Im playing what I had from teacher from a lesson a while back but really jist recently started to try and play it.  It was a bit much when she presented to me back when.

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ABitRusty

It might have been a bit slow, but I liked the feel of it, sounds good to me.

So many tunes, so little time.

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Really like that tune & LOVE what you did with it! 

Nothing wrong with you staying at the speed you enjoy! 

Thanks for sharing it!

I got carried away, too happy with my new Rondo A string, and spent time sampling tunes from my favorites list that I haven't played, yet - in 4 different genres!  So glad I've saved tune videos here on the forum, they would've all been lost in my bookmarks (just not the same).  

...getting harder & harder to recycle through old tunes - I keep dragging newer ones along now. 

How do you keep track of what tunes you want to learn?

Felt really good to be able to just pick up & play Edgar on Halloween while the Kids were busy running around & playing hide & seek - wish I could spend as much time on my elliptical as each of them did! 😄

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Thank you @Mark and @elcbk

Emily Usually will like a youtube video or will collect a pandora track on stuff I hear that I want to learn.  Then there are tu es from class.  Usually will eventually get a handout on those so it goes in the "book"

These are what I played around with tonight.  On The Blarney Pilgram I can play faster but just gets sloppy(er)  Its never this slow in a session..even the "slow" session I like attending.  

I recorded 2 Maids of Mitchelstown.   one more swingy.  I think i like it better but the straight version and much faster is bow youd hear it.   But I enjoyed this.. These are examples of how i like playing when just playing.   I need to start FOCUSING i bit more and working on speed again but not today 😁

Swingy Maids of mitchelstown.   Not exactly what I am playing but a screen shot from thesession website

 

A slow Blarney Pilgram..almost Thanksgiving!

 

And a straightish maids of mitchelstown

 

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ABitRusty

I agree, I like the swing version better

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@ABitRusty - 

I think all music should swing a little! 🤗

Like your Blarney Pilgrim, too! 

 

You are definitely settling into a good sound & groove. 

Thanks for sharing what you're up to! 

...newest reels I'm trying to get memorized: "See It There" & "Blue Gaze" (The Blue Keys)

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@ABitRusty  You’re the Knotted Cord sounds good—I think the pace is good (won’t catch me playing a fiddle tune too fast—never going to find me at a session anywhere, that’s for suresmile).

The Maids of Mitchelstown – I usually like the swing better in tunes, but I think I like the straight version better on this one.  Maybe it’s the run of notes.  Maybe I’m spending too much time on Baroque music.  Liking your Blarney Pilgrim, too. smile 

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Thank you all!

@SharonC idk...You kinda had a nice session going there with the traveller videos.  Thpught you guys sounded great. 

And The straight version of Maids of Mitchelstown is probably the route I need to put some work into.  Itll transfer better when playing along with everyone else I think.   Or build up speed on the swing until it smooths out.

some 5 string fun all had time for tonight. 😉🙂  sometimes 4 strings arent enough @elcbk.  Need to share the time a bit.

btw 80 deg i think today

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ABitRusty

A good sounding 5 string,

Thanks for sharing that. 

Mark

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