Welcome to our forum. A Message To Our New and Prospective Members . Check out our Forum Rules. Lets keep this forum an enjoyable place to visit.

Be part of our 2024 Fiddlerman Group Christmas Project.

AAA
Avatar
Please consider registering
guest
sp_LogInOut Log Insp_Registration Register
Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search
Forum Scope




Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
sp_Feed Topic RSSsp_TopicIcon
Random stuff from the fiddle cave
Topic Rating: 5 Topic Rating: 5 Topic Rating: 5 Topic Rating: 5 Topic Rating: 5 Topic Rating: 5 (205 votes) 
Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
December 11, 2022 - 3:01 am
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 8476
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/db/2d/42/db2d423c1906cfe00d7df466beb6fac7.jpg@ABitRusty -

Very interesting! 

Strange, I stumbled upon Miguel Berkemeier earlier this evening & it was weird how a couple of his 'Iberian' tunes really caught my attention - mainly because of how he was making a lot of timing changes, throughout. 

I like your idea of working through a tune this way! 

Thanks for sharing this! 

- Emily

Avatar
Mark
Members

Regulars
December 12, 2022 - 12:20 am
Member Since: September 30, 2014
Forum Posts: 2236
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
62sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

ABitRusty

The timing of that tunes is a bit odd to my ear, but interesting 

Mark

Master the Frog and you have mastered the bow.

Albert Sammons

Avatar
ABitRusty
Members

Regulars
December 12, 2022 - 1:09 am
Member Since: February 9, 2019
Forum Posts: 4205
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

thank you elcbk.. you know.. maybe that style had something to do with it.  

Thank ypu Mark.   yeah the timing thing was intentionally not following any beat.. not sure where i was going with it or why i went down that road but was different.  It in no way is played like that.😉.  I was trying to recall sections and in measure 5 or so of B part I was having a really hard way with how the notes fall.   it sounds unfinshed or something.

Anyway.. a thing last night.. 😏😄

heres a version.  too fast for my taste, which is convenient since I cant play like that. lol

 

think this is my favorite version paired with another.  Virginia is 2nd tune.  

Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
December 12, 2022 - 3:16 am
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 8476
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

@ABitRusty -

I have the utmost respect for you jumping in and trying to make sense of this tune!  Seriously, this would be another hard tune for me to deal with - and you always end up making them sound great!

George White's Favourite & The Virginia Reel DO sound good together!

Something's buggin' me about the way The Virginia Reel is written, maybe the cadence and there's something in the B part pattern of notes that feels similar to the A part.  I'd like to figure out why it's like an endless wave in pitch to me (when it's not), then seems to just stop.  It's definitely a tune I'd enjoy playing through a couple times with others, but I'd quickly lose my bearings... playing after everyone else finished! (LOL)

I think this tune has a meditative quality to it, and seems really good for the fingers - what I find exciting is that you started exploring possibilities with it! 

Can't wait to hear what you finally end up with,

because I'm sure it will be unique! 

 

https://thecatonmyhead.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/CatXMASTree.gif

- Emily

Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
December 12, 2022 - 3:09 pm
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 8476
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Well, 💡 - took me long enough to realize why I get VERY confused with some old time fiddle music!  Something in the back of my mind kept insisting I KNOW The Virginia Reel, but this tune didn't sound like it.  I didn't mention it, because I didn't know why... until now! 

When I was growing up, we learned a little folk dancing in school, as part of our Gym curriculum - not sure many schools do that anymore, but this is what I learned to be "The Virginia Reel"! (lol) 

 

Needless to say, the 1st time I heard Turkey in The Straw, I had the same feeling & confusion.  Everywhere I saw/heard The Virginia Reel - Turkey in The Straw was playing!

To me, "The Virginia Reel" IS, and always has been, "Turkey in the Straw"!  dazed

...have pity on me. 

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/39/2e/15/392e156b07b8939189e4ed4eef2dd939.jpg

Avatar
ABitRusty
Members

Regulars
December 12, 2022 - 4:52 pm
Member Since: February 9, 2019
Forum Posts: 4205
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

ELCBK said
Well, 💡 - took me long enough to realize why I get VERY confused with some old time fiddle music!  Something in the back of my mind kept insisting I KNOW The Virginia Reel, but this tune didn't sound like it.  I didn't mention it, because I didn't know why... until now! 

When I was growing up, we learned a little folk dancing in school, as part of our Gym curriculum - not sure many schools do that anymore, but this is what I learned to be "The Virginia Reel"! (lol) 

 

Needless to say, the 1st time I heard Turkey in The Straw, I had the same feeling & confusion.  Everywhere I saw/heard The Virginia Reel - Turkey in The Straw was playing!

To me, "The Virginia Reel" IS, and always has been, "Turkey in the Straw"!  dazed

...have pity on me. 

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/39/2e/15/392e156b07b8939189e4ed4eef2dd939.jpg

  

 

@elcbk I could be very wrong.. I dont know...but I pretty sure in the context you are showing The Virginia Reel is the name of a dance...it can be danced to any reel or 4/4 i suppose...

example.. fly around my pretty little miss.. i think is the first title

 

here they play arkansas traveller

 

think there is a topic on here you or i have already started on this subject.

 

***another edit

 

whew ...taking alot of edits to discuss this haha.. 🙂

when i mentioned another topic...we can chat about it here..but i figured if you found it you may wanna do your link magic.  or something.

btw...the tune i played is called "The Virginia".. its a reel..   idk if that helps distinguish it when you see another post here or elsewhere..  I think there is also an American old time tune called "The Virginia" thats different ..youll have to double check that.

Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
December 12, 2022 - 10:47 pm
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 8476
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

https://pritchettcartoons.com/cartoons/xmas-turkey.jpg@ABitRusty -

🤔... maybe where we talked about Celtic music influence on Old Time (?)

Sorry, I didn't want to change the subject, was complaining that I had to learn the dance, but wondered why no one ever played The Virginia Reel for it, which seems silly not to... but maybe I can understand why - if you wanted people to hop around like that, which one of the tunes do YOU think fits best? 

Granted, I haven't been one to hang out at Country or Square Dances, but seems hard to beat Turkey in The Straw for that purpose. 

Maybe they should rename the dance - Turkey in The Straw Reel!

...and that's the last I'm talkin' turkey. 😁

- Emily 

 

🤭 Not gonna say the lyrics we used to sing to the Turkey in The Straw.

Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
December 13, 2022 - 3:49 am
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 8476
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e5/02/6f/e5026fa5fa2c53bb0894b73a3e492ba6.jpg@ABitRusty 

Now that I'm full of Turkey... I've listened to the different versions of The Virginia Reel enough I might've convinced myself to play it!  I've listened sped up & slowed down, maybe upside down (that's your experimenting 😉) - but I'm supposed to be getting some sleep! 😒

I love you drew out the end of the phrases long & slow (when you were playing with timing), instead of a roll or trill, but it didn't completely help me get rid of a feeling (even in the video, that you said was your favorite), an urge to make some of the beats much heavier - to force a rhythm.  ...I feel this way about most reels - and probably get dramatic about over-emphasizing because I'm always afraid the accents will be lost as a tune is sped up. 

Now, I like the idea removing the 4/4 time, allowing The Virginia Reel to breathe, maybe a chance for something crooked to happen and like the idea of changing the phrasing/accents.

...even thought a C Part could be a possibility. 😊 

THANK YOU for inspiring me!

https://wildeyessigns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/name-with-heart-Emily.jpg

Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
December 13, 2022 - 7:45 pm
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 8476
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

@ABitRusty -

I found a version of Virginia Reel from Duncan Cameron I like!  Duncan plays it a little different than the others, but think this would suit me - will check it out later tonight, because I think it will be fun. 

 

https://freedesignfile.com/upload/2015/11/christmas_background__vector_material_1378.pngThought it was interesting that The Session shows several different tunes known as The Virginia - totally unrelated.

Have you already learned to play George White's Favourite?

...I really need to just go bury myself at FIDDLEVIDEO, since I'm still paying for it. 

- Emily

Avatar
ABitRusty
Members

Regulars
December 13, 2022 - 10:04 pm
Member Since: February 9, 2019
Forum Posts: 4205
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
70sp_Permalink sp_Print
5

@elcbk said "Have you already learned to play George White's Favourite?"

Yeah im playing them in a set now.. slow from memory.  Id share where im at but wont get a chance tonight.

Thanks for the share.. although she is playing flute im hoping for something more like this.

 

and no..Ive not even opened up flute case. roflol

Avatar
ABitRusty
Members

Regulars
December 13, 2022 - 10:12 pm
Member Since: February 9, 2019
Forum Posts: 4205
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
71sp_Permalink sp_Print
5

Spot on in my part of the world.   with the exception of the kid on the mountain.   

This is a great list of to learn tunes if youre looking to visit a session.   Lilting Banshee and Kerfunten comes up alot here..  along with the banshee reel and swinging on a gate.  harvest home not so much but every once in a while someone will call it.  Ive not taken time to learn it.

 

Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
December 14, 2022 - 2:46 am
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 8476
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5e/e0/29/5ee0298eb062d5d9cd1e64704a52100c.jpg

@ABitRusty - 

Flute version is very smooth/flowing - you can do it.

Pretty amazing YT Channel! 

Are you thinking of participating in one of their virtual sessions they have on the 1st & 3rd Saturday of every month? 

We talked a while back, about wanting to play 'smooth' - and I know you haven't had time for much, probably not Viola lately, but it doesn't matter - I'm thinking bowing in general.  If you get a chance, watch the last video I posted in this thread (starting at 1:18:10, they play for 11 minutes) - Viola Workshop/Masterclass Videos.  Martin Hayes has his stylistic bow usage I like, but regardless of Viola/Violin/Fiddle, Tabea Zimmerman blows me away with what she does within each bow stroke! 

My point - it's been noticeable to me, for quite a while now, that you've been working on giving character to the individual notes you play!  Is this a conscious effort on your part, or more intuition? 

I've always got tempo in the back of my mind (which I hate being strict).  I wonder at what speed do I sacrifice potential character/dimension/life of each note for the sake of making rhythm the dominant feature, or if I can have them both.  I don't know if which way I tip the scale is always different for each tune, but I suspect I have been leaning toward sacrificing all for rhythm. 😔

...always more to work on (I'm tired). 

- Emily

Avatar
ABitRusty
Members

Regulars
December 14, 2022 - 9:35 pm
Member Since: February 9, 2019
Forum Posts: 4205
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

elcbk said.."My point - it's been noticeable to me, for quite a while now, that you've been working on giving character to the individual notes you play!  Is this a conscious effort on your part, or more intuition? "

In lessons she introduced bowing and taught things that now seem to come with less instruction. so both i guess.  Anything I can do I owe some patient instruction and practice.  Id be lying if I said I fivured oit stuff on my own.  But on the flipside i listen to alot of the music im trying to play so that helps too.  Plus..watching online stuff.. fiddlehell was very informative.   Fiddlevideo is great to.  Ive always been a self learner.. I just like being with people in person on this stuff. and I say .The majority of anything im able to do has been with helpful teaching.  in person and online.  It hasnt come naturally.

 

heres some screaming cat reels..lol

https://youtu.be/URN3_IAbjz8

Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
December 15, 2022 - 4:14 am
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 8476
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
74sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

No screaming cats... Bugsy told me so! 

LOVED the combination & sounded GREAT! 

Avatar
Mark
Members

Regulars
December 15, 2022 - 4:34 am
Member Since: September 30, 2014
Forum Posts: 2236
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
75sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

ABitRusty

Great beat, also sounded good.

Mark

Master the Frog and you have mastered the bow.

Albert Sammons

Avatar
ABitRusty
Members

Regulars
January 5, 2023 - 7:14 pm
Member Since: February 9, 2019
Forum Posts: 4205
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
76sp_Permalink sp_Print
5

I used this for the 3 camera angles on Christmas party vid.  Just in case its of interest.   Its very easy to do and I used an old camera, cell phone, and my photo type mirrorless camera for the 3 cameras.  Basically setup the angles you want ..start recording and when ready i clapped really loud 4 times.   when i brought the videos into the video editor i just looked at the audio tracks for the 4 spikes and lined them up.  from there i would just cut out the pieces i wanted to keep.

 

basic green screen ( can be a bright green bed sheet ) technique in davinci resolve

I used that for the snowfall tree scene.  hardest thing is hanging the sheet.

 

not that anybody is just dying to know...but figured if any wondered what i used this is basically it.

 

and one of the tune tutorials i watched.. hard as i tried couldnt get that really cool bounce he has

Avatar
ABitRusty
Members

Regulars
January 30, 2023 - 12:56 am
Member Since: February 9, 2019
Forum Posts: 4205
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
77sp_Permalink sp_Print
5

Thought i had a decent night playing.  Practicing Porthole of the kelp.  Its a little bit choppy but i think i may have been rounding off phrases before tonigh so maybe im on my way to getting it smooth.

Used a synth for a backing instead of metronome to keep time and thought it sounded interesting so kept it and made this.

Avatar
Mark
Members

Regulars
January 30, 2023 - 2:41 am
Member Since: September 30, 2014
Forum Posts: 2236
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
78sp_Permalink sp_Print
5

ABitRusty

Great tune, enjoyed watching and listening to it at first break with a good cup of coffee and  a brownie.

Had a good beat.

Mark

Master the Frog and you have mastered the bow.

Albert Sammons

Avatar
SharonC
Members

Regulars
January 30, 2023 - 8:08 pm
Member Since: June 24, 2020
Forum Posts: 1619
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
79sp_Permalink sp_Print
5

@ABitRusty  Really great tune & playing!  I like the synth background—it fits with the tall building, & cars moving--the cityscape 🏙️

Characterize people by their actions and you will never be fooled by their words.

Avatar
ELCBK
USA
Members

Regulars
January 30, 2023 - 10:37 pm
Member Since: June 10, 2020
Forum Posts: 8476
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

@ABitRusty -

Fabulous! 

Really glad you played it long enough to really enjoy the groove! 

Very cool that you discovered the synth beat - added a unique touch, & your time-lapse of Nashville paired perfectly!  

I'd forgotten I had bookmarked Justin Bonar-Bridges play Porthole of the Kelp with "Mother's Delight"!  Mother's Delight is a tune I fell in love with maybe a year or 2 ago - has a very similar feel to me.  I started to learn it, but must've gotten side-tracked - don't know what happened, but it's been on my list for a long time. 

Thank you - loved hearing you play! 

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ac/6d/af/ac6daf9243f23a411003552108ce695c.jpg

Forum Timezone: America/New_York
Most Users Ever Online: 696
Currently Online: Lady McGuiver
Guest(s) 35
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Members Birthdays
sp_BirthdayIcon
Today Ginnysg
Upcoming HeadCheese, Mad_Wed, Andrew, Prudence, lakelivr, ButteryStuffs, harvestman, fiddlinmama, kit, makinnoise, wisco kid, Nathalie, marta, Raef, AmandaKulp, vocaliw95, nancyjoshua
Top Posters:
ELCBK: 8476
ABitRusty: 4205
Mad_Wed: 2849
Barry: 2690
Fiddlestix: 2647
Gordon Shumway: 2563
Oliver: 2439
DanielB: 2379
stringy: 2238
Mark: 2236
Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 3
Members: 31738
Moderators: 0
Admins: 7
Forum Stats:
Groups: 16
Forums: 83
Topics: 10742
Posts: 136577
Newest Members:
Jannah.ml, Peebles, jaymi_ SP, chainsupply SP, kasaka SP, Daggerme SP, brett410 SP, gomesgenelia92 SP, Tom223 SP, finnallen SP
Administrators: Fiddlerman: 16509, KindaScratchy: 1760, coolpinkone: 4180, BillyG: 3746, MrsFiddlerman: 2, Jimmie Bjorling: 0, Mouse: 5730