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Katie L’s Violin Slog
Starting off with trying to get straight detache bowing.
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I think you are developing a really nice vibrato, said before I cant do wrist myself so I can appreciate it when I see someone else using it. I wouldnt worry about making it smaller or larger that will happen on its own, I find if I start to think about what I am doing the vibrato goes out the window. Strangely I also find it is much easier if I dont look at my hand when am using it, I think it becomes an unconscious movement, when I watch myself it gives me a mental block.

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Thanks for watching Stringy . I’m going to try to not look when I practice , see if it works for me. I think my vibrato has got faster but it’s taking its time !! 

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loads of practice today and started a new piece which is … the second movement of Winter from the Four Seasons… going ok but there is a third position note which the third finger on the e string c# . So it’s fourth finger b on the d string then third finger c# on the d string and the back down to d on the a string. So obviously I can’t do it but I think I will be able to with practice! 

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@Katie L -

This is exciting, Katie - you can do it!  🤗 

I know you only use your phone, but don't you know of anyone who has a laptop or at least a tablet you can borrow - so if you are using the Fragherrnmaurer video, you can see what he is doing better? 

Using a full screen view on a laptop can be invaluable for learning - just make sure the settings are HD and slow, like .5 (or use the speed customize setting), then place your cursor at the time your troublesome spot starts - tap to replay/watch his fingers/pause & try just those 3 or 4 notes!  Tiny steps! 

You do this for a few days straight - I can pretty much guarantee you'll get it down & memorized.  Memorizing hard parts can free up your sight-reading!

I have run across places I've had to slow a video down to .25 - the YouTube sound is terribly distorted at that speed, but it can give you time to think & act with your fingers - mimic what he does.

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Thanks Emily , his music is harder than mine but I’ll try and watch him.. he is one of my favourite violinists . Also will try to memorise. 
I only did a tiny bit of practice today !! Been digging up leeks , sorting out the plot ready for spring time !

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I’m having to learn to shift so I can get into third position to play the c# thing is I have to come back down switch fingers and switch strings!! I’m feeling like there isn’t a lot of hope for me with this piece at the moment it’s a complete shambles. However I’m going to carry on as there is a lot I like about this piece! 

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@Katie L  Winter is a nice piece—

Not sure about the B, C#, D you’re talking about?  Key is in Eb (with Bb, Eb, Ab in key signature)—no C# listed.  

Are you using a different, transposed version (in a different key? Different from the video Emily attached)? Not sure what you’ve got before & after those notes, but I think a 4th finger B (on G) & 3rd finger C# (on E) would be awkward—

Could you take a pic of the bars you’re talking about?  To include what is right before & what’s after?  Maybe I could suggest something that would be helpful—

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Sharon , hopefully this will work …

https://www.violinonline.com/i.....easons.pdf

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Definitely need your help. Maybe the other music from the vid Emily posted would be better but it seems a lot harder. 

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Just took a look at the music for this, and as far as I can see the only 3rd position playing is on the E string, apart from it being in a flat key it looks straightforward, not easy but logical if you know what I mean. 

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The version you have is in D, there lies your problem. Well not exactly problem, I am being a bit dramatic there;)

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@Katie L -

The Fragherrnmaurer video version is only playing 'Winter' a half tone lower than your version - nothing harder.  I don't see any awkward fingering in this video.

IMHO, I think your version is harder to learn... you have no auditory reference help with rhythm, phrasing, dynamics & intonation.  You also don't have any visual help with bowing & shifting. 

 

Just practice getting used to how your left hand comes up the neck to touch the edge of the violin body for 3rd position - play 'A' on the E string this way until it feels very familiar. 

You still play intervals the same way in 3rd position as in 1st, the strings are still a 5th apart - there just aren't any open strings, so always think '4th finger'.  It's easier for me to visualize 3rd position as a block of notes - not just a few notes on each string. 

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3d/54/dc/3d54dc0c398c601de5feb8885a95dff3.jpgImage Enlarger

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@Katie L 

I've attached a copy of the music where I wrote some info in.  I have bad handwriting smile, so I did a short video about what I wrote.

KatieM - Winter

 

FbFirstPosition.jpgImage EnlargerFbThirdPostition.jpgImage EnlargerFourSeasonsWinterinDKatieL.jpgImage Enlarger

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@SharonC  -

Sorry, just looking at what you wrote on the sheet music - I don't understand why you wouldn't just stay in 3rd position for all of the 6th measure (?)

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ELCBK said
@SharonC  -

Sorry, just looking at what you wrote on the sheet music - I don't understand why you wouldn't just stay in 3rd position for all of the 6th measure (?)

  

As I indicted in the video, I suggested the easiest method to get back to 1st position.  From 7th measure on is in 1st position.  Easiest method down to 1st position is to do it while playing the open E and shifting to 1st finger to F#. 

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@SharonC -

Thank you! 

I finally had a moment to watch the video (great video angle, btw!) & see where you are coming from. 

 

@Katie L -

I can see your point, now - having only one spot where you have to shift would make your version, in D major, potentially easier for you to learn. 

BUT, can you listen to this played in 'D' anywhere?

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Do you really think the slow movement of Winter in D is easier than in Eb? I'm not so sure.

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Thanks all for your input with this and Sharon I literally cannot believe you did a video for me with all those fab instructions !! I went to a meeting room at work so I could watch ! Thank you so much ! I need to watch several times more before trying it on my violin.

I am going to stick with the d major version I think for me I it’s an easier finger pattern .

I will keep you posted I’m off to practice !

Been practicing and it’s cool because this is a much better way of doing it than I was ( managed to get my head around the first part still got the rest to sus out) the diagrams helping a lot. Also feel like I can use it to practice shifting .

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@Katie L thumbs-up

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I’ve had a couple of practice sessions and this is where I am..

Early days of Winter

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