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Sevcik practice
Starting off with trying to get straight detache bowing.
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That mazas is a good buy. I get loads of books from charity shops. Got a cracker from london, oxfam shop near the British museum, baroque book 4. I am studying one from it at the moment corrente, by Albinoni

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Score!

 

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Totally 😁 something to aim for. They look way past my ability but hopefully I’ll be able to have a go at some point.

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Trying to switch between fingers … really good vibrato vid from Fiddlerman with the black background. Here is my attempt .. I’m sort of playing around keeping fingers down and vibrating on two at the same time . No idea if that’s what you are supposed to do and I don’t even know if it’s helping .

 

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@Katie M -

Woo Hoo!

You're out of 3rd position! 🤗 

Just follow that video - the more I try to vibrate on notes I don't normally play, or notes I wouldn't normally think of using vibrato on in a tune, the more it helps me. 

...I just don't think about doing it enough, so I can't complain.

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That’s good Emily ! Sounds like you are doing well! I think we can both definitely do it! I was quite close to leaving vibrato .. I felt the same as you said you were feeling when you said you have other things to learn But I think maybe I’m now starting to like it again.. I’ll prob go off it again though 🤣

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This video is helping me a lot . I’m practicing d major and a major switching fingers trying to be in tune as much as possible and trying to narrow my vibrato

 

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What is your reasons for wanting to learn Vibrato? 

I always felt there were places it was needed - so, for me, it's an expressive skill I'd like to add to my toolbox.

In retrospect, I think it's great to practice vibrato on every note played in a tune  - and, like Fiddlerman says, start the vibrato immediately upon touching the string. 

That's fine for some practice... but consider many of us beginners do NOT have perfect intonation.  I mean, realistically, we have to play by making sure we have the correct note BEFORE starting vibrato - then, as we get better at hearing & quickly adjusting intonation, vibrato can be worked on more. 

I also see 2 schools of thought - one being vibrate on every possible note vs. vibrate to accentuate specific notes.   

From what I've seen, Kids seem to get vibrato quicker/easier than adults - but THIS IS NOT A RACE TO THE FINISH LINE... unless you are preparing to audition for a chair in the local Orchestra. 

Being in tune is SOOOO much more important than vibrato - and HAS to come first.  I've run across some teaching on YouTube saying, "don't practice playing music with using vibrato", so more attention can be paid to intonation - than add some in after you know the music VERY well. 

Sometimes I go way back to the beginning, if I haven't been using much vibrato in a while (like playing jigs & reels).  I always try to find new perspectives & discovered a great video in Spanish, with English subtitles (or other languages can be chosen).  You might also enjoy it. 

 

...intonation, bowing, rhythm,  

 

 

...vibrato.

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Thanks Emily I’ll have a watch.

I’m practicing a bit of everything at the moment kind of to see what I’m up against and how far I can get. I also enjoy practicing  vibrato and can see how it will enhance my playing .. maybe not right now but I enjoy it. And I like feeling like I’m making progress which I think I am. I am only just putting it into a scale to practice but I had probably the best practice session I’ve had in a long time today. I’m still working on everything else. Maybe I can get some dynamics and expression in at some point ! One of the hardest parts of it for me at the moment is getting the next finger down to play the next note.

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Ah, the next note... where listening and learning to use our ears to hear intervals, helps a lot. 

Have you seen this series?  Prof William Fitzpatrick's 1st video here is very profound.   

Prof William Fitzpatrick - 5 Intonation Videos Playlist, Plus More

We can start ear-training with scales. 

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8a/a5/19/8aa519ac4dc18e7e0f9186131f16f70a--hurdy-gurdy-the-necks.jpg

I think subconsciously, I detest (and don't play) scales now, because I feel that's all I did in piano lessons as a kid - don't even remember any names or notes, just that I played them.  I do think that hearing/playing piano scales back then, helps me today - just wish I had been introduced to modes, too. (lol) 

No one has to worry about intonation when playing the Piano, unless the piano is out of tune.  🤔... I'm starting to see the benefits of a Nyckelharpa!

- Emily

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Coming on great, really good hand movement, no backwards and forwards of the wrist at all, just the hand pivoting on top of the wrist, excellent stuff and sounds good wide and even. I couldnt get the hand vibrato without moving my wrist  so did arm instead, I may start practicing a bit of hand again though. Looking and sounding really good.

Dont try to force it into different tunes, you will find you do it without thinking eventually.

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Thanks Emily and stringy.. I think when I can get better I’ll do a vid . But I actually think I turned a corner today with it but I don’t know it could have been my imagination ! Umm I definitely need to work on my ear training Emily I think with vibrato it’s the physically getting the finger to the string I find hard ! But anyway I’ll look at the videos you posted. Intonation is a separate thing I’m working on along with everything else. I’m enjoying vibrato again now though I went through a really stressy period where I was struggling with my posture but I feel like that’s improved .. I think. Stringy I think I would love to see you do wrist maybe you could ???  I like your advise about not forcing it into tunes. I wouldn’t even try a scale a few days ago so at least I’m trying that now. Thanks a lot 😀

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@Katie M -

Are you going to play anymore John Denver-type Folk music? 

You did very well & seemed to enjoy it. 

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Emily’s there is loads of stuff I want to do. I like it all. At the moment I’m practicing Minuet in G for the Bach party ! Finding it hard so I might abandon for now. I seem to be stuck on Danny Boy. 

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I’ve gone back to Annie’s Song found an arrangement that’s it d major which is fine by me! Thanks Emily for reminding me ! Such a lovely song 

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Today I have done loads of practice and may do loads more !!!

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re started Annie’s Song it doesn’t exactly flow and there are lots of issues especially string crossings from open a to f# . But I my bowing is straighter I think .. hopefully I’ll look back in a couple of weeks and there will be improvement. Also at some point include some vibrato ! 

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Katie M

Your bow is straighter, and that's Annie's song for sure, very pretty melody.

Your doing good with it.

Thanks for posting your updates

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Thanks Mark I’ll get back on it later. I’ve been watching some good tutorials lately and feel like I might be making progress. I did record Annie’s Song in Aug 2021 and I looked back and I’m sure it’s better this time around . I think I’ll try putting vibrato on the f# when I get it better. Thanks for watching.

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I don't think it's the bow-crossing from the A to the F# that's a problem, it's just the intonation of the F#, and I can tell from the way you play it that you think the same way. I'd suggest you give that F# its full length (it's a bit short at the moment) and enjoy playing the note (perhaps play the piece a tiny bit slower and to a metronome?), that way you'll have time to adjust the intonation to your satisfaction. Perhaps play some very slow D scales (just 4 or 5 notes) on the D string to find the finger position for the right pitch. That F# would then be a great place to use vibrato.

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