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Katie L’s Violin Slog
Starting off with trying to get straight detache bowing.
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Katie L
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Thanks for explaining it all Gordon !! 

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@Katie L - 

I don't know if these will help you find what is the most comfortable, but if you'd like to compare the way some other top violinist hold & use their violin, here's 4. 

You won't see the high elbow or all the shoulder motion Heifetz uses, but think you'll see these violinists (some are also violists) tilting the violin more toward the bow arm. 

 

Perlman & Zuckerman. 

 

Yehudi and Oistrakh. 

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Emily, in the tilting thread you ask "Know of any more examples, maybe other than the top 3 Classical Violinists of all time?"tongue

And I think you need to beware of the fact, I gather, that in the past some violinists were told to play with their right elbow touching their side - just in case you see that in a really old video.

I should have looked at that bach video again before commenting on the score notation thread - Oistrakh gives it a lot of welly down and up+spiccato, whereas Menuhin favours mostly downbows and détaché at the tip, but I haven't looked at the V1 part for a while. I love its stately pace - 88 bpm.

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@Gordon Shumway -

You've taken my question out of context - it was only relevant in the other thread. 

Sorry, I don't understand what you are referring to. 

 

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c1/cb/04/c1cb04c576d87a1fb183a2825a6c20d4.png

 

And Katie, I am in NO WAY insinuating you are doing what Heifetz does! 

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ELCBK said
@Gordon Shumway -

You've taken my question out of context - it was only relevant in the other thread. 

Sorry, I don't understand what you are referring to. 

 

I was teasing you, hence the emoji.

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Good to see the examples thanks both 👍 my main concern is my hold I do think I was too far out to the side and my new hold is more in front and the violin is flatter to the ground. Seeing those examples there is a lot of tilt going on! But I have noticed with my old hold I was holding with more of the (how do I explain this) back of my jaw which I think is quite angular and that was locking me in place. My new hold has the violin more out in front and I think I’m holding more with the other part of the jaw and chin ! What a mine field . I think I feel better with this hold but time will tell 😁 

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Having a go at straighter bowing and tilting for a less heavy tone 

. this video goes on and on and on …. And on..

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@katie  Your practice looks excellent.  Your hand has good movement, flexible & relaxed, with good rotation. 

Characterize people by their actions and you will never be fooled by their words.

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Thanks Sharon.. you made my day or year even !! I’ll keep practicing that ! Thanks for watching .

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@Katie L  -

Sounds great! 

Now, let me know when you can do it in your sleep. 

...just kidding. 🤭  YOU GOT THIS!

- Emily

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Katie M

Sounds good, I wish I had your bow grip and flexibility you have in it.

Mark

Master the Frog and you have mastered the bow.

Albert Sammons

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Thanks Mark and Emily. Feeling happier now about my bowing . I’ve got a strategy to practice it now. Thanks for watching . And also Emily I’m a good sleep walker so you never know!! 

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After practicing tilting the bow I’ve just been playing Danny Boy ..

i just noticed I cut it off at the end oops ! 

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@katie Sounding good! You've got good contact with the bow hair--can see all the work that the practicing is doing for you. 

Tempo for this is good, too.  You're not rushing.  You seem comfortable playing this tempo; maybe because you are more comfortable drawing a longer bow (that is, drawing a longer bow at a slower tempo)--like you have a better feel for where you want it to be.

Characterize people by their actions and you will never be fooled by their words.

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@Katie L -

Keep up the great work you've been doing! 🤗

Focus on your 1st 4 notes, because how you start a tune is important - the first few intervals get your fingers set up for the key you will play in. 

- Emily

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Youre playing wonderful Katie and your practice shows.  Bowing looks very smooth.  enjoyed listening!

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Katie M

Nicely done, I really like that tune.

Mark

Master the Frog and you have mastered the bow.

Albert Sammons

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Thank you for watching and the feedback mark Emily abitrusty and Sharon. Sharon yes you just made me realise and I think you a right in everything you say! And Emily I totally agree about the first few notes. I really need to get into rhythm again . 

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It's a good piece to choose. Do you feel that tilting the bow aids expression, Katie?

As to the speed - it's a good speed at which to develop expressive bowing.

Here are some links for people who want to know more about the piece.

Fiddlerman's in C major

IMSLP in Eb (go to page 5)

wiki

So, technically the tune on its own is the Londonderry Air or Farewell to Cucullain. It's only Danny Boy when it's sung with lyrics.

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i think it will with practice but I think my sound is less gritty and easier on the ears. Also bow changes less clunky. This eve been practicing Vincent and Romeo and Juliet trying to play soft and loud in areas I think need it.

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