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Sevcik practice
Starting off with trying to get straight detache bowing.
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Katie M
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I was about to look it up. Thank you for the advice 

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Katie M said
I’ve gone off piste and started learning Once in Royal David’s City and O Little Town of Bethlehem. Both in f major which is handy so been having a go at that scale ! Also having to put my own slurs in! Going to concentrate on smooth string crossings I think 

  

 

LOVE that you're getting a head start on the Christmas season! 

I found it very helpful to take time to have fun experimenting with different ways to bow string crossings - how you end up using them depends on the notes that follow and the effect you want. 

  • 1st way - I like practicing a single continuous bow stroke from one string to the next (in one direction), e.g., starting up bow at the tip on A - rock over (while still moving) & continue up on the D string - OR start at the tip, bow up on the A string & then rock down to the E string (while still bowing UP).  You can alternate between strings several times - all in one stroke/upward.
  • Next, a down bow stroke - start down bow at the frog on A & continue down on the E string.  Then, like above, start down bow at the frog on the A string, but rock over to the D string & continue down stroke.  Try alternating these all in one, continuous, smooth stroke downward.
  • Another is change the bow direction when you change strings, e.g., start up bow in the middle of the bow on the A string & once you make contact with the D string, switch to down bow stroke. 
  • Also try starting in mid bow on the A string, but use a down bow stroke - rock down to the E string & change to up bow direction when you touch it
  • either type of string crossing can be taken a step further - after you change strings, rock slightly back toward the 1st note & then play both strings at the same time as a double stop! 
  • Maybe you can even come up with something different!

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Very thrifty if you can practice on 2 techniques at the same time!

Have FUN! 🤗 

- Emily  

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Thank you for all the info Emily. I tried them all except the double stops. That’s next in the Alison Sparrow book … which is very good. I’m using a book for vocals for the Xmas songs but there are no slurs so I need to put my own in. Do I just add them where I think they should go ? I think you might like the book it’s got some fab illustrations.. also I’m happier with my posture now . Feel like my violins in a much better place. Also I’ve noticed I can play for much longer now I think I did 6 mins of scales without having to get rid of my violin. So that can only be a good thing. Thanks for your help ! 

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@Katie M -

Sure, you can experiment with slurs when not indicated - 2 or 3 notes at a time, but you have to be careful because all your notes still need to sound clear.  I have a tendency to lose some time on notes after the 1st... if I'm not paying attention. 🥴

This video might be helpful - good info. 

 

Have fun! 

- Emily

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Oh yes !! Great vid. I have been putting the slurs is as I play but I haven’t marked them on the music . I seem to put them in different places every time I play. 

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@Katie M -

Just thinking about how I start off my practice with simple tunes to warm up with for the first 10 to 15 minutes. 

I ran across this beautiful Sevcik etude that I thought would be nice to use the same way. 

 

Have you run across any you are particularly fond of? 

- Emily

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Oh yes that’s a lovely tune Emily !! Hmm nope I don’t practice anything like that. I play some scales and then I get straight into the piece I’m learning . I’m very good at printing off exercises and not practicing them as well.

Actually you just reminded me , I picked up some etudes from a charity shop and haven’t even looked at them. I will have a look when I’m back from my honeymoon. 

Katie 😁

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Emily where did you find the music for the Sevcik etudes please ? The etudes I have are way too advanced for me.. I like the one you posted. Thanks 

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@Katie M - 

😄 I was hoping YOU knew of more! 

I don't want to derail you from your Sevcik path, but I was looking for etudes that sounded more like a melody than an exercise.  No one wants to listen to me play scales or exercises, but if my exercise is a beautiful melody - no one is the wiser. 😉

My search was pretty random.  I searched "Sevcik violin etudes - sheet music" on YouTube, so I could hear them/sample them.  I did find a few more I liked! 

If I would've heard some of these etudes early on, I wouldn't looked more closely at Sevcik!  Check out this GREAT tutorial playlist from Guillem Calvo - Sevcik op.3, 40 Variations for Violin - Video Playlist!  They are all tutorials, but no sheet music (GREAT TRAINING) - here's the 1st one! 

Much more at the Studio Guillem Calvo YT Channel!

 

If you haven't done any double stops this Dancia etude is great exercise for starting to practice them using the open A string!  AND, it's a beautiful tune! 

 

I'm totally in love with this Dancla Mazurka op.123 Slow Practice Video - so there's more at the Strummi YT Channel!  LOVE Mazurkas!

I like the more melancholy tunes - you might find others you like better. 

Are you back home already? 

- Emily

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@Katie M -

I forgot this How to Practice Violin, Viola, Cello YT Channel - more collections besides Sevcik! 

The Sevcik op.3 Bowing Variations, linked in the previous post, aren't called 'etudes' - but I think they also act as etudes & I like they sound like complete little tunes/melodies. 

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Thanks for the info Emily, I like the Dancla too.

I’ve been looking at Fiddlerman’s page and I’ve ordered some printer ink so I’ll be able to print some out.

Yes we got back from Malta last night had a lovely time. We live right by the train station so we were able to get the train back from Birmingham airport to Northampton and then walk … in the rain. Back to work tomorrow!

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You might like the Hans Sitt one Emily 

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@Katie M - 

Too bad you have to go back to work so soon!

Are you trying to stick with only Sevcik? 

Because... I found some beautiful etudes by Robert Pracht! 

Robert Pracht Etudes op.15 - Video Playlist Book 1 & some of Book 3

Here's an example of one:  

 

 

I don't need to look any further, I've found plenty to keep me happy - hope you find some you like, too. 😊 

- Emily

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That's a lot of études. I'd recommend playing music instead.

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I think if I find one I like I’ll practice it. I like the wolfhart one I’m doing and I found the original one Emily said about. 

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I’ve got Wexford Carol printed and have written the note values on 1+ 2+ 3+. Having major problems I can’t play it listening to the beat of the click track and then fitting the note values in I keep losing my way. This is why I can’t play with a backing track !! I’ve tried Sharon’s play along vid and can’t follow that either it’s like my brain turns to mush when all the beats start and I can’t differentiate between the click track and the music it all moulds into one !!!!! I’m close to jacking it in so any suggestions I’d be grateful 😬

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 never tried sevcik I bought the wohlfhart ones, think there is 60 or so exercises in there. I worked through all of them except the last couple of pages which are advanced exercises, no idea why they were originally included unless it was some kind of joke, to be honest though I thought the only useful ones were the string crossing exercises, I think scales are far better to practice as they develop your ear and without that, for me at least the rest is a waste of time. Learn 3 octave scales instead, which teach you how to shift. My own opinion others probably think differently, but I think from personal experience you can get to bogged down in etudes. But 'I know notheeng', as they say.

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@Katie M -

IMHO - might just be you just need time to let your eyes, ears & brain sync up. 😊 

TAKE A DEEP BREATH! 

Step back, RELAX & just start by spending time following the sheet music notes with your eyes (no playing the violin) as you listen to the click track for that part - don't think about anything but watching the notes change, one note to the next as you hear them.  It's not always so easy. 

Don't think about counting or anything else that might shift your focus.

Set aside time, during your practice of other pieces, to RELAX - read/listen to this over & over for a while, maybe a couple days in a row... commit to as long as it takes.

When you don't have any trouble seeing the notes change in time with hearing them, then try to play some. 

This GP is an excellent reason to learn to use a click track!  I believe you'll be able to submit a video in time if you try!  ...if you only learn how to use a click track from all this, it will help you for in the future. 

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Katie, this is what I do, only it doesn't take me more than reading through maybe 2 times, at this point - just a suggestion.  I forced myself to start learning to use a click track for my 1st Fiddlerman GP (Game Of Thrones 2020). 

- Emily

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Ok I will do this Emily . I like the sound of just watching the notes and having a relax ! 

I will let  you know how I get on, thank you 😊 

I was wondering about learning third position Stringy but not anytime soon. Well done for going through all the wohlfharts you are dedicated ! 

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Not dedicated, stupid.

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