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The New Old Guy Re-Entering the String World
A personal view of the start of a journey into music and the viola.
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@GregW - Yes, it is certainly fun. Thanks for the transpose trick, though I've been using MuseScore to transpose and to change clef so I can print the music for my viola. Took me awhile to figure out the instrument change. The use of LABS for more instruments sounds intriguing and would be fun to add tracks with it for playing as accompaniment while muting the viola track.

Not too much info, just maybe not fully appreciated yet! lol

Thanks!!!!

Oh, and I just joined Spitfire and requested download of free BBC Discover.

Edited: And downloaded LABS and a bunch of their selections!

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They have the best stuff!  I got most of my products from them on black fridays...deep discounts.  if you see one of their bigger libraries you want  you may want to think about holding off till november.  Honestly, between the labs, originals, and discover packages youre pretty much set.

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@JohnG , @GregW -

I'm following this conversation (and the Groovey Stuff) , but just realized I really know nothing about Midi's (other than the def), or about creating MP3 files.

Any help with just the most important facts about making/using, would be appreciated! 

Highlights, or just point me in the right direction - don't want to derail this thread (PM?). 

Would others benefit from a dedicated thread on all this, or too basic (for everyone, but me)? 

Thanx, for all your patience. 🙄 

 

*moved this post/started new topic here. 

FMF topic - Making Backing Tracks

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@ELCBK @JohnG @GregW 

This would be a good topic in the Instruments and Equipment/Recording the Violin

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The above is an older topic thread in that section of the forum I mentioned. It is quite long and may have swayed off topic, so maybe, I would start a new one and add this information there.

Also, I am not sure if the above mentioned topic thread does what ELCBK requested (see below in the quote box), so a new topic thread in the Instruments and Equipment Forum Group and sub-group Recording the Violin would be good.

I'm following this conversation (and the Groovey Stuff) , but just realized I really know nothing about Midi's (other than the def), or about creating MP3 files.

Any help with just the most important facts about making/using, would be appreciated! 

JohnG, please continue with what you need here for your blog, this is your blog and it is beneficial to you to have the questions you need answered in your blog. That is not a problem. 

I would start a forum topic in the Instruments and Equipment Forum Group in the Recording the Violin Subgroup with this information and what ELCBK has requested,  and start a separate discussion there. I am not into this and have no knowledge of it, my iPhone or iPad suits me just fine, so, 'tis best that I do not do it. I would give it a very clear and identifiable topic title as to what the topic discussion is about. Hope this helps and gets that discussion started soon for ELCBK. 😁 However you all want to do it. Either have ELCBK ask the question in a new topic thread in the Instruments and Equipment/Recording the Violin and have the replies, or just a thread started providing the info. Maybe you could post a question there in a new topic thread, ELCK asking for what you are asking about would be best? 

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@Mouse -

Thanx, going to start one & ref this and the Groovey thread. 

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@ELCBK, No need to delete anything. The other posts here won't make sense if you delete. It will kind of let readers of JohnG's blog know there is more information in that area of rhe forum, and will also remind JohnG for his future reference.

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@ELCBKK, No need to delete anything. The other posts here won't make sense if you delete. It will kind of let readers of JohnG's blog know there is more information in that area of rhe forum, and will also remind JohnG for his future reference.

  

@ELCBK - Totally agree with Mouse. Leave it all here, please.

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Usual one hour practice today with all the usual suspects (Raglan Road, Song from a Secret Garden, Sailor's Song, Ode to Joy, Michael Row, Amazing Grace, Sound of Silence, Scales, Improv) then went niece and nephew's for dinner and took the viola to show them. Just played a few notes as both are musicians and didn't need to hear my scratching, off key playing! lol She is a singer and trumpet player and he is keyboard and guitar. He liked the viola so much that when he found out how inexpensive it was, announced that he just might have to get one himself! That would be awesome!

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👍

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Another day, another hour! Raglan Road, Song from a Secret Garden, Sailor's Song, Ode to Joy, Michael Row, Amazing Grace, Sound of Silence, Scales, Improv. Once again half hour spent on Raglan Road while listening to MP3 in my ears. I think it is really helping (or I'm delusional, your pick)! lol

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I would tend to believe it is helping, why wouldn't it? But then ... I like the bright side, so I may be delusional. Nah, it is most likely helping, and you are hearing your progress correctly. 

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I'm a firm believer that repeated listening, even while you aren't practicing, helps you memorize. 

Think it also helps with intonation when your brain knows/anticipates what it's supposed to hear from your fingers. 😊

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Almost identical to yesterday, another hour! Raglan Road, Song from a Secret Garden, Sailor's Song, Ode to Joy, Amazing Grace, Sound of Silence, Scales, Improv. Once again half hour spent on Raglan Road while listening to MP3 in my ears.

I waited too late to practice though! 8:00 pm and my body is just too worn out and I find that my concentration wavers, my fingers don't work as well, I get more annoyed when my viola slips on my shoulder, and my bow sometimes shakes so I get bow hopping sounds! Very frustrating.

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This is getting repetitious! Same stuff, but an hour and 15 minutes today. Still making slow progress working on Raglan Road, Song from a Secret Garden, Sailor's Song, Ode to Joy, Amazing Grace, Sound of Silence, Scales, Improv.

Did manage to get a version of Dawning of the Day (version of Raglan Road) into MuseScore. As I said in the thread On Making a Backing Track today:

As an example, after the discussion in another thread about Laglan Road and Dawning of the Day, I decided I wanted to compare the two and I found a YouTube video that had an instrumental (or computer generated sound) version playing along with the sheet music. But I also wanted it as a score in MuseScore.

To accomplish this, I took screen shots as the music played of the score. This took me three captures to get the whole score.

The three pictures were moved into Microsoft Word, enlarged to fill each page, and the document saved.

That document was then converted to a PDF using a tool called "Doxillion Document Converter" from "NCH Software".

I then opened MuseScore and used the "Import PDF" to get into their format. Because I wasn't careful about artifacts from the original pictures (I left the playing location bar visible), I had to correct some measures.

At this point I have a score that can be edited, key changes made, and clef modification made to change for viola. Assigning instruments to the treble and bass clefs allowed me to play it through to see what it might sound like with violin and pipe organ. And can then be exported as an MP3 file for practicing and repeating familiarization. 

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My next steps will be to convert to Alto clef and transpose down an octave (or possible other amount for key change).

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This is really getting boring (to enter, but not to do), another hour with same subjects, Raglan Road, Song from a Secret Garden, Sailor's Song, Ode to Joy, Amazing Grace, Sound of Silence, Scales, Improv. 

I think Raglan is getting close to record, but I've been wrong before (just ask my wife lol).

May have to print out the Dawning of the Day which I have converted to alto clef for my viola. I didn't change the key, just had to lower it an octave. Should be interesting going from 3/4 to 4/4 though. I don't know when I'll have MuseScore create an MP3 file complete with cello line rather than creating it with only the solo line.

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