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Fiddlerman is the third largest seller of Cecilio Violins. The number of extant specimens of Cecilio violins should create an interesting range of discussion.
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Irv
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I have a great interest in extending the performance of Cecilio acoustic (CVN 500 and CVN 600) and electric violins.  I had great fun perusing (and following the advice of) the "silk purse" discussion of Cecilio electric violins on the Fiddle Forum.  I did not see anything similar on this forum.  I also had difficulty in finding a carbon fiber bow that would fit into the "extended" length case of the CVN 600 (the purchased Fiddlerman bow was slightly too long).  I don't think that a 3/4 size bow would fit into a conventional CVN 500 (and below) case.  A upgrade to Cecilio bow topic would be valuable since few bows provide overall length data.

Fiddlerman is the third largest seller of Cecilio violins.  Certainly, the number of extant specimens of Cecilio violins (and their owners) should create an interesting range of discussion.    

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Fiddlerman
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January 18, 2018 - 5:42 pm
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Try pressing (compacting) the foam where the bow tip touches hard with your finger to elongate the distance. Also, make sure you flip it the correct way to give the greatest chance of fitting.

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Is there a set length for a 4/4 bow? I have found in one case that I have, my bows almost don't fit when loosened. I have to fiddle with the foam as @Fiddlerman suggested, plus turn it the right way. In another case there is plenty of room. I tend to think my cheaper, smaller case just is frugal on space for everything.

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I did some checking with a tape measure.  The Cecilio CVN 600 4/4 case (which is quite a bit wider than a standard Cecilio case) will take bows of 29 inches (2 each).  One fits easily (about 3/8" to spare) and the second squeezes in.

The standard 4/4 Cecilio case (CVN 500 and below) will also take 29 inch bows (2 each).  I think that if you repositioned the bow holding latches so that they were further toward the center of the case, the case would take a longer bow.  

The Fiddlerman bow that I have measures 29-1/2 inches.  

A standard 3/4 Cecilio case (CVN 500 and below) will take 27 inch bows (2 each).  Again, you might get a longer bow in if you repositioned the bow holding latches inward.

I have no idea how old my Cecilio violins are since they were all bought used, so your results may vary.

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If you reposition the catch, the bow might be in position to contact the bridge.

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By my ruler, I have 1-1/2" of room before that happens.

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Also, make sure to flip the bow so that it follows the contour if your case is one of those. Test to see.

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I have three Cecilio violins, the CVN-500, the CEVN-1BK, and a CVN-EAV+SR (the cheap one that I use to test and build luthier skills with).

Of the three cases that came with these violins, two of them have a tighter fit for bows, for the top bow holder locations.

The CEVN-1BK's case looks identical, except for the color of the interior upholstery, to my CVN-500's case, but the top bow has to be put in upside down in this CEVN-1BK's case (although I can force the bow in, I do not, I just flip the bow upside down so it fits into the spot).

Oddly, the CVN-EAV+SR came with the longer, wider, case, but not necessarily a better case, that has an even tighter fit for the top bow. There would be no forcing the bow into that spot without damaging the case, or without doing some customization of the foam padding (not recommended). You have to flip the bow upside down to get it into that top spot (and even then, it is a tight fit in this case). And my Fiddlerman bow does fit into all of my Cecilio cases, in both top and bottom bow holder locations. Ya just have to flip the bow upside down in two out of three cases for the top bow holding spots.

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I have the CVN-600, CVN-EAV and a Namu electic.. I like both of my Cecilio violins.

Other then price and some cosmetic differences, I can say that there is not alot of difference in them. They both have great sound after being tuned and re-outfitted.

I wonder though is the a way to tell a better quality violin by the wood used, I mean by the wood grain, how tight or open it is? 

Any oppinions on the subject.

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@OldOgre - You can absolutely not tell simply by the amount of grains. We have cheap instruments with tight grain and expensive instruments with wide grains. However the most important factor is the density of the wood. Wide grains in which the wood is very dense are way better than tight soft grains.

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