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bocaholly
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Bringing this comment from the "Mutant Violin Bow Frogs" to it's own thread.

Andrew Fryer said

BTW, your TIFs sometimes make your posts unreadable. Is that something you've done, or is there something I can do to make them load properly? Judging by the formatting of this post, it's the forum.

Thanks for letting me know about the problem. It may be coming partially from my side. Here's what I think is happening and and the remedy I'm going to try:

- When I recently updated my OS, Mojave automatically replaced "Grab" with an app called "Screenshot" which seems to be much heavier in data consumption. Cutting and pasting into the forum from the new app resulted in me not being able to upload photos at all (because there was too much data in them, I'm guessing.)

- My workaround was to "copy" from "Screenshot" and open in "Preview" using the "New from Clipboard" command in the "File" menu. Once open, I go to the "Tools" menu and click on "Adjust Size". The default is 144 dpi. When I reduce that to 70 dpi, copy the new image and paste it into the forum, the smaller image size uploads properly.

- Thanks to Andrew Fryer's comment, I went back and checked what format I was saving in. Turns out the "Preview" app's save default on my Mac is "png." I'll try to set it to "jpg" in the future. Hope that works more smoothly. Here's a trial cut and paste with the new method. Please let me know if this is works out better. Thx.
 aQAAAPZAADAcW1tb2QAAAAAAAAGEAAAoC4AAAAA0OXuAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA=

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bocaholly said

- Thanks to Andrew Fryer's comment, I went back and checked what format I was saving in. Turns out the "Preview" app's save default on my Mac is "png." I'll try to set it to "jpg" in the future. Hope that works more smoothly. Here's a trial cut and paste with the new method. Please let me know if this is works out better. Thx.
 aQAAAPZAADAcW1tb2QAAAAAAAAGEAAAoC4AAAAA0OXuAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA=  

I can never be sure that what you see and what I see are the same thing, so I'll quote you and type it as text in case they display differently. No, it won't let me copy and paste the text. What I'm seeing is a small icon with 50 random letters after it, but you may still see it as an image. Let me try a screen dump? No, even that doesn't work.

Sometimes the string of random letters is so long that it fills a page. And sometimes they are arranged in a vertical line rather than a horizontal row, so that I have to scroll right down to see the next post. If I click the icon it uploads a TIF to my C drive where I can open it. I've got a feeling that might be because I set it up to treat PDFs that way, but that was so long ago that I've forgotten how I did it. 

I always wanted to be a juvenile delinquent but my parents wouldn't let me.

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Oh boy, we're in trouble... thanks for getting back to me on that, AF.

In your quote, I'm seeing the image I pasted in. It happens to be a snippet from this page we're on now ((right hand column, middle - "Fiddlerman Preferred Violins...(pic of a violin)... Get them now".))

Would be a big help to me if anyone else out there can describe what they're seeing in my original message.

Thanks for helping me sort this out.

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BillyG
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December 6, 2018 - 8:29 am
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@bocaholly - I have always seen just exactly what Andrew said.

However - ( Windows 7, Chrome browser ) I can right-click and download the "image" by asking to open image in a new tab - and that's the first step - what it actually does is download your image as a .tif file, and saves it .  That download file will then open cleanly in a browser window.

I did mean to bring this to your attention as well, but forgot !

Technically, though, I don't quite understand why it doesn't open directly....  anyway - I mean it is a permitted file type...  but wait - 

No - I don't actually see ".tif" as a recognised file type in the list....   but then, why is WordPress allowing it ????  Mystery to me...  🙂 

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The other thing that's odd is that - if you refer to my post above - there is usually a list of attachments at the foot of the post - no such entry appears on your posted images.

It's kind of like the image has somehow been directly pasted rather than having been selected as an attachment and uploaded - but ignore me I'm just hypothesizing - I'm sure that's the only way it can be done (by using the Attachment / Upload menu) - it must be something in WPress I guess for that specific file type - heyyy - here's a thought - let me post YOUR tif back here as an attachment - hang on - 

Well - I can't  it will not permit .tif files - I get this - 

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  WHich all adds to the confusion - just how did you manage to post it at all ?

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We can ask Pierre @Fiddlerman to allow .tif files - we got MuseScore .mscz added some time back, so it is configurable....

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Please make your own, different mistakes, and help us all learn :-)

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Ha ha I said upload when I meant download. There IS a reason for that, and I hope I won't offend anyone if I tell you this little anecdote.

There's a church near me that is trendy and it has a huge placard out front that used to say "log on to God and download all your troubles", which of course is exactly the opposite of what you want to do. 

So I was overthinking it and got it wrong myself!

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Cute upload/download annecdote, AF 🙂

Since Fiddlershop is in super crunch season, I'll just go easy on my posting of photos in the coming weeks and hope they can add .tif when they have a breather in a few weeks.

As if learning to play the violin weren't complicated enough!

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If I use my old Microsoft Internet Explorer, the "tif" files show correctly, apparently Chrome (my browser of choice) doesn't allow these format pics.

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Recently I switched from Firefox to Chrome, but I don't remember Firefox being any better.

No, Firefox is worse - I get the random letters but no clickable icon!

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Photos shouldn't really be a problem (i.e. in crunch season). It's the Youtube embeddings that used to really consume bandwidth.

IE? Ugh, a shudder just went down my spine!

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IE? Ugh, a shudder just went down my spine!  

I know what you mean 😉 BUT "Edge" drives me over the edge !! :0

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Stubborn, here.

This is a pain in the neck workaround that might do it... temporarily. Please lemme know (uploaded the pic to Dropbox and linked it here)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xz5nm3gvuda0pa4/trial%20pic.jpg?dl=0

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Perfect @bocaholly - reasonable work-around

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You can also do stuff with a conversion program - there's even an online image format converter - https://image.online-convert.com/convert-to-jpg - but of course that means you end up with two images taking up space on your computer.   I'm fairly sure it will all be OK once the .tif format files are permitted for upload...

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I'm on Mac. I see your pictures with the Safari browser. But only a string of letters with Firefox.

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Thx, WTW. I hope that's a useful tidbit of info. I logged in under Chrome and couldn't even get the image in my clipboard to paste into the forum. Sigh!

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I go back to one of the earlier points I made about .tif files not being a permitted file type (within the WordPress/Simple press configuration for the forum - it is a perfectly allowable file type - it just needs to be "permitted"), and to get your image posted, what appeared to be happening is that it was pasted into the post, and not actually uploaded to the server.  

I'm also wondering why some browsers show it, and some don't - well - let's not get overly technical here - but - if you inspect the forum HTLM source for these posts (Holly's and one of mine) you'll see that Holly's post includes a "base64" encoding of the entire image - i.e. pasted, not uploaded, into the particular post.   If you inspect the post where I placed a .jpg, you'll see it appears as an HTML link to an uploaded file.

Now - some browsers will be perfectly happy to "interpret" a stream of embedded data within the HTML and recognize it as a .tif image, and display it on-screen. 

Other browsers will not - and it comes down to various "customisations/enhancements" made by the browser designers, rather than actually doing something that breaks, or doesn't meet, the HTML5 specifications.

Here's what you see when you inspect the HTM source for Holly's post - the actual image data is physically embedded into the HTML stream - and of course I have "cut it" - it goes on for ages - the gobble-de-gook is just the ASCII representation of the base64 encoding of the raw binary data belonging to the image.

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If you now inspect the HTML source of a .jpg I uploaded, you do not see the raw image data in the HTML stream - you see a link to an uploaded file.   Haha, I obliterated my forum user name - pointless really since anyone can view the HTML source anyway 🙂 🙂 - 

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Now - there is nothing overly "special" about .tif files - it's just another image format, capable of being viewed by ANY browser as a FILE LINK - it's just that some browsers don't have the browser-specific customization to interpret an embedded stream of image data.

The bit that "gives it away" is that in my posted .jpg file you see the HTML - 

<img src="https://fiddlerman.com/wp-content/forum-image-uploads/madbill/2018/12/_thumbs/_extension_err.JPG" class="sfimageleft spUserImage" title="extension_err.JPG" alt="extension_err.JPG" />

which is just a link to the uploaded file, and in Holly's you see

 <img src="data:image/tiff;base64,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....