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Bollywood, Tollywood & Kollywood Music for Violin
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The Bollywood, Tollywood & Kollywood Film Industries are as old as Hollywood! 

There's a few differences - one being languages used and I think Tollywood does more Action Films, Kollywood is very stylized with maybe some English thrown in (all Indian films are also dubbed in other languages).

Bollywood might be the most musical of all with mostly Masala Films - a hodge podge of genres in each that are still musicals!  I may have a hard time distinguishing, since there's also; Mollywood, Sandalwood, Ollywood, Jollywood, Chhollywood, and more!

 Cinema of India

You can see a great comparison here:

Difference Between Hollywood, Bollywood and Tollywood

 

Some of my most recent finds come from 2 epic Tollywood films, "Bahubali" - Part 1 - The Beginning (2015) & Part 2 - The Conclusion (2017), both available on Netflix.  A marvelous tale, where the 2nd Part serves as both a sequel and a prequel!

This album has music from both films (timestamped in video description) - they're not in any order.  The first song is "Kaun Hain Voh" - where Shiva (Bahubali's son - not the God) decides the best way to help his adopted Mother attain her wish from a lingam (that represents the Hindu God Shiva) is to move it. 

 

"Kaun Hain Voh" - Violin cover by Spondon Mukherjee. 

"Jay Jaykara" - Violin cover by Nidhin Raj

Can't find a violin cover of "Khoya Hain" - also known as "Dheevara", but I did find the basic melody played on piano - so you can catch the notes (Manjunath Hiremath)!

 

The hard part about finding covers & violin tutorials of Indian songs - they may not be called the same or in different dialects... it's like going on a treasure hunt where you have to look for clues! 

Indian Cinema goes back to the beginning of the Twentieth Century - many great stories put to film & great music along with them. 

Love to know if you have any favorites... I have more - been looking at Tabla covers & backing, too! 🥰 

- Emily 

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the top one looks like a kind of raiders of the lost ark movie.? 

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@ABitRusty - 

Got to thinking about how much energy & drive the music adds to the action in the "Bahubali" films in particular.  It's all about the rhythms you feel - rhythmic drive

Not trying to get off subject, but just realized maybe why I always loved riding horses - there's a lot of rhythmic drive.  Dressage is probably my favorite - music & rhythm are important partners in this sport! 

I also feel extremely privileged to have learned to ride English at what may have been one of the last riding stables to have 2 English-style drill teams (sure wish we'd had our easy video recording back then).  Our precision maneuvers were done all done to music.  There are still Western-style riding teams here in the U.S.A. 

Where it all originated: 

 

Not sure how to describe the Bahubali films - has an Indiana Jones feel.  It's fantasy, but feels like a historical drama - similar to my favorite Korean & Chinese Historical Dramas, but the special effects are extremely well done & believable.  More than a good 'fish tale'. (lol) 

https://sonicsafarimusic.com/music/indiaviolin/india_violin.jpg

 

Most important - the music, especially the rhythmic drive, is a very integral part of these films from India! 

- Emily

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I should've mentioned that the score & soundtrack of both of these Bahubali films, the 2015 and the 2017 prequel/sequel, were composed by M.M. Keeravani - an impressive, award winning film composer, lyricist and playback singer.

The 5th song on the Bahubali soundtrack, "Manohari" is another beautiful tune, so I tried to find anything related to it, but this is all I got. 

I found in Wikipedia that Manohari means "Heart-stealing", also "Charming", "Delightful".   Btw... not checking googly translate. (lol)

Carnatic Ragas drive me crazy 🥴 there's 72 Mēḷakartā ragas - fundamental or parent ragas that generate others (I can't keep them straight), but the 23rd raga is called Gowri manohari (alias; Gourimanohari, Gaurimanohari, or Gourivelāvaḻi). 

It's scale pattern is:

Arohanam: S R2 G2 M1 P D2 N3 S (ascending)
Avarohanam: S N3 D2 P M1 G2 R2 S (descending) 

Raga Gowri manohari, along with other raga patterns, can be heard here: https://www.ragasurabhi.com/ca.....ohari.html

 

In this "Gowri manohari raga tutorial" video from violingalata, there is some English.  One interesting thing said about this raga, "one who eliminates darkness"

Now, I know he said tuned to D#, which I think means it is the root or 'Sa' and most raga tunings go S, P, S, P - unless the scale means too much tension on the higher strings, then tuning is usually P, S, P, S. 

So, I believe the strings are tuned D#, A#, D#, A#.

 

Wikipedia says of raga Gowri Manahari: "The Western equivalent is the Jazz Minor Scale." - I'd like to check into this (later), because something doesn't make sense... Melodic Minor makes more sense.

Found several more threads on Carnatic & Hindustani Indian music (that aren't mine) - maybe there's enough to suggest a new genre heading for these...

- Emily 

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@ABitRusty - 

Got to thinking about how much energy & drive the music adds to the action in the "Bahubali" films in particular.  It's all about the rhythms you feel - rhythmic drive

Not trying to get off subject, but just realized maybe why I always loved riding horses - there's a lot of rhythmic drive.  Dressage is probably my favorite - music & rhythm are important partners in this sport! 

I also feel extremely privileged to have learned to ride English at what may have been one of the last riding stables to have 2 English-style drill teams (sure wish we'd had our easy video recording back then).  Our precision maneuvers were done all done to music.  There are still Western-style riding teams here in the U.S.A. 

Where it all originated: 

 

Not sure how to describe the Bahubali films - has an Indiana Jones feel.  It's fantasy, but feels like a historical drama - similar to my favorite Korean & Chinese Historical Dramas, but the special effects are extremely well done & believable.  More than a good 'fish tale'. (lol) 

https://sonicsafarimusic.com/music/indiaviolin/india_violin.jpg

 

Most important - the music, especially the rhythmic drive, is a very integral part of these films from India! 

- Emily

  

Thats awesome!  I imagine the trainer and horse spent years getting that gallop down.  

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@ABitRusty -

Charlotte Dujardin is amazing - think she is still the UK's top female Olympic Equestrian of all time, so MANY years of training for rider and each horse (she rides other people's horses). 

Rider learns so many subtleties, because a horse is not a 'one-button-works-all' animal.  I like to think it's 3 independent parts; front end, rear end and what's between the ears. (lol)  Takes using extremely slight muscle movements of legs/hands, shifting of weight, plus being adaptable to each horse's idiosyncrasies and changing moods - getting it all in sync, then keeping it all in sync!  ...especially at the dressage level, which is kinda funny to think of it, because all dressage movements are natural horse movements, but the collected & extended gaits/movements are supposed to be close to perfection.

Horse can feel if you tense anything up - just like a violin! 😊 

 

...miss riding.

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Transplanting, editing, updating some info from a few posts that are film music from the Indian Music Structure Thread

I don't think I've seen the film "Iddarammayilatho" (2013), Devi Sri Prasad (known as DSP) composed the score - guess he's quite famous for his work on Tollywood films. 

Love the "Violin Song" from the film - quite the fun genre-bending tune! 

 

This video is a very detailed Tutorial by Upendra Dusa - so you can see/hear exactly how to get the iconic dynamics & phrasing of this music.  

The violin tuning is GDGD. 

 

#iddarammayilatho from 🥀𝕪𝕒𝕒𝕣𝕠 𝕚𝕧𝕒𝕝𝕠🥀

 

Great to learn a few new techniques - just gives us more freedom to be creative!

- Emily

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...a little more moved from the other thread.

"Prem Ratan Dhan Payo" (2015) is a Bollywood film (Hindi language, romance) - also the title of my favorite tune from the movie!  Wikipedia says, "Sanjoy Chowdhury composed the score, with Himesh Reshammiya penning the songs." 

Does that mean Himesh wrote just the lyrics - or also composed the song music?

According to Wikipedia:

It [Prem Ratan Dhan Payo] emerged as the second highest-grossing Bollywood film of 2015 and one of the highest-grossing Bollywood films.  Indian media outlets reported that the core plot of the film takes an inspiration from the 2012 South Korean film Masquerade, which was loosely based on the 1894 novel The Prisoner of Zenda by Anthony Hope.

 

This is still the best I can do to help anyone who wants to learn to play this! 

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4eA4T3psqSg/maxresdefault.jpg

 

If you can't play by ear, consider other sources to find the notes you want to play! 😊

- Emily

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"Roja" (1992) is a Kollywood romance thriller - this was A. R. Rahman's debut as film composer. 

Wikipedia says:

It is the first in Mani Ratnam's Trilogy of films, with the others being Bombay (1995) and Dil Se.. (1998), that depict human relationships against a background of Indian politics.

 

Back to the language problem and finding tunes - here's the list of tunes in this soundtrack in Hindi and the original Tamil. 

Roja Janeman (Hindi) - Kaadhal Rojave (Tamil) 

Yeh Haseen Vaadiyaan (Hindi) - Pudhu Vellai Mazhai (Tamil) 

Choti Si Asha (Hindi) - Chinna Chinna Asai (Tamil) 

Rukmani Rukmani (Hindi) - Rukkumani Rukkumani (Tamil)  This, the only one close.

You get the idea, different soundtracks for each language - maybe some different songs, too.

 

Here's the beautiful "Roja Jaaneman" Violin cover by Nandini Shankar!

https://tamillyrics143.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Roja-Movie-Song-Lyrics-768x424.jpg

 

- Emily

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...more sorting thru & updating the other thread. 

"Viswasam" (2019) - a Kollywood action drama, with soundtrack composed by Immanuel Vasanth Dinakaran (aka D. Imman).  Found it interesting that "the background music was copied for the Bollywood film Marjaavaan" (wikipedia). 

 

"Kannaana Kanney" - Violin cover by Sruthi Balamurali.

 

Easy tutorial - "Kannaana Kanney Violin notes" by Jini Vincent. 

Tuning is SPSP (DADA), but he only uses the 3 higher strings - so I would just tune my G string up to A, and don't use the E string! 

 

Btw, one of the video's I linked in the other thread suggested chucking the E string altogether - move all 3 strings over, tune the G string up to A and put a C string (where the G string used to be) & tune it up to D. 

 

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/z2wyhYkjsEA/maxresdefault.jpg

🤔... VERY SIMPLE ON A VIOLA - all the strings already there (just tune the C up to D & the G up to A)! 

- Emily

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I edited my 1st post & tried to make things easier to understand, but now I'm in a pickle. 

This is crazy - just discovered there are 2 distinct "Tollywoods"! 😵 (Oh no, Mr. Bill!) 

There's Cinema of West Bengal, which I believe is known more for Art films and has influenced some Hollywood greats.  Then there's Telugu Cinema, which might be a little older industry and has also been a MUCH larger producer of films.  

THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT WATCHING FILMS FOR THE MUSIC!

Final decision (unless someone objects): I'll be calling Telugu Cinema, "Tollywood" because they make more $$$$$ -  and I'll call Cinema of West Bengal, "Cinema of West Bengal"! 

 

Geez, don't we just have Hollywood & Independent Films here in the USA?

 

...doing my best to identify things correctly - and always appreciate help from everyone. 😊 

I will try to share interesting Filmi Music, in an approachable way, so some of you can try it. 

- Emily

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In post #9, I mentioned the Filmi Music composer A.R. Rahman.  Well, he's won Grammy and Academy awards!

Well, he impressed the Berklee College of Music (Massachusetts). 

Here's their GREAT 2014 tribute to him - 16 videos!  Seems like he's also their featured artist! 

A.R. Rahman Meets Berklee - Video Playlist

"Bombay Theme" - the 1st of the videos (I haven't watched them all yet).  Rahman plays the Continuum Fingerboard

 

"The Epic Medley" is #12 - so much fun with cool instruments & rhythms! 

 

Here's "Vande Mataram", the final part of the performance.

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"Malare Mounama" from the Film "Karnaa" (1995), soundtrack by Vidyasagar. 

Violin Cover by Upendra Dusa.  

 

"Malare Mounama" - Tutorial by Upendra Dusa. 

Tuning: SPSP (DADA) 

It is set in Raga Darbari Kanada

Here's the scale (raga) pattern:

Arohanam: S R2 G2 M1 P D1 N2 S (ascending scale)
Avarohanam: S D1 N2 P M1 P G2 M1 R2 S (descending scale)

S = D for this tune.

These are the chromatic scale designations, BUT ONLY if S (Sa, the root) is C!  These designations MUST be transcribed/shifted over, so "S" is ALWAYS the ROOT/TONIC of the scales/ragas, will also be 2 of the open strings on violin. 

It's not always this easy, but best to keep things simple, for now.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-349ab84b6531e8cfe2e3bdf59060e528-c

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03287/indian_3287168k.jpg

 

...nice to see more people appreciate a 5 string Violin! 😊

- Emily

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I have to share this as my 'Laugh' for today - for the most 'unspaghettish' Western EVER - from Bollywood!  S. Shankar wrote & directed Humse Hai Muqabala

🤔 Wondering if A.R. Rahman deserves accolades for everything he composes... this just seems soooooo wrong. 

 Muqabala Muqabala is an unusual tune - entertaining & certainly 'outside the box'!

 

 

...curiosity is getting the better of me so started watching this strange film Humse Hai Muqabala - definitely no other scenes even resemble a Western!  

Sorry, at first it seemed like a good lesson for what NOT to do for Spaghetti Western music. (lol)

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I have to share this as my 'Laugh' for today - for the most 'unspaghettish' Western EVER - from Bollywood!  S. Shankar wrote & directed Humse Hai Muqabala

🤔 Wondering if A.R. Rahman deserves accolades for everything he composes... this just seems soooooo wrong. 

 Muqabala Muqabala is an unusual tune - entertaining & certainly 'outside the box'!

 

 

...curiosity is getting the better of me so started watching this strange film Humse Hai Muqabala - definitely no other scenes even resemble a Western!  

Sorry, at first it seemed like a good lesson for what NOT to do for Spaghetti Western music. (lol)

  

@elcbk..

  1.  Really gets groovin at :40.  from there on im diggin'  like it
  2.  florida georgia line guest appearance at 1:14
  3.  1:20 is the lead actor a waynans brother?  just sayin
  4.  1:42 oh my back
  5.  1:46 now were really rockin..
  6. 2:20 the wife peed pants laughin at me performing that whole sequence on livingroom floor
  7. 2:40 ambulance arrives

coffee1  true story 😉

kiddin aside i really like the music.  not sure i get why the western setting but hey..i guarantee its as good a movie as any in past few years. 

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@ABitRusty -

Well, turns out that was the best tune out of the whole corny love story! 

A bunch of corny kung foo fightin', way too many 'evel knievel' motorcycle jumps, but loved the eccentric/caring Grandparents, classical & pop dancing - you can tell someone was a Michael Jackson fan. 

...I think I should've stopped watching after the 1st 5 minutes, but at least it had a happy ending! 

 

- Emily

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