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@AndrewH/@wtw said
The Walton concerto is the most frequently performed viola concerto, and considered one of the "big three" for viola! (All three are modern; the other two are the Bartok concerto and Hindemith's "Der Schwanendreher.")
Tamestit's viola actually isn't big. He plays the "Gustav Mahler" Stradivari, which according to Tarisio is 16-1/4", right in the middle of the size range.
I know two violists. One plays a 15" viola made in the 18th century.
The other used to be a pro until she got a neck injury, so now she's an amateur. Hers is 16 3/4" (42.5 cm) and was made in the 20th century by a luthier in the North of England out of wood salvaged from some broken cellos!
If I ever wanted to buy a viola, which is very possible, I'd just go for a 15" (I'm only 5'5"). I see that Stentor, for example, lists that as a standard size. No, if you go for a basic Conservatoire model, they do it in 14"!
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Andrew Fryer said
I know two violists. One plays a 15" viola made in the 18th century.
The other used to be a pro until she got a neck injury, so now she's an amateur. Hers is 16 3/4" (42.5 cm) and was made in the 20th century by a luthier in the North of England out of wood salvaged from some broken cellos!
If I ever wanted to buy a viola, which is very possible, I'd just go for a 15" (I'm only 5'5"). I see that Stentor, for example, lists that as a standard size. No, if you go for a basic Conservatoire model, they do it in 14"!
I know a whole bunch of violists from the various ensembles I've played in recently, with viola sizes ranging from 14-1/2" to 17". At one point, maybe 8-9 years ago, I played in a community orchestra with someone who stood 6'7" and played a monster 19" viola! In my current semi-pro orchestra, there are two violists who play a 14-1/2" and a 15" respectively, and the other seven are all between 15-1/2" and 16-3/4".
14" is exactly the same size as a full-size violin, of course.
My own instrument is a 15-3/4" Tertis pattern viola, made in Phoenix, Arizona in 1979 by a German luthier who moved to the US in the early 1970s. I'm 5'7", and my arms are long enough to handle a slightly larger viola, but I have short fingers so I can't play an octave double-stop on anything larger than what I have.

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Hi Andrew. I have a couple of 14” violas. Their ribs are quite a bit higher than a violin. All other dimensions are the same. If I had younger children and needed a fractional sized violin, I would strongly consider getting the similar in a viola and string it as a violin, for fractional violins are notoriously bad sounding.
If you want to play a longer viola, check out the violin metrics thread on this forum and see what the Fiddlerman Shop did for bocaholly (lengthened nut to convert 4/4 violin to 7/8 violin). I saw real potential in that modification.
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Irv said
If you want to play a longer viola, check out the violin metrics thread on this forum and see what the Fiddlerman Shop did for bocaholly (lengthened nut to convert 4/4 violin to 7/8 violin). I saw real potential in that modification.
Very interesting!
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From what I understood, the ribs are higher indeed, + the thickness of the wood isn't the same here and there… I think there's something about the bass bar inside that's different too (don't ask me if it's the placement or the thickness also). It all contributes to the 'viola sound', that melancholy tone that attracted me …

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I remembered another difference. The bass string on a viola causes a lot more displacement than the similar g string on a violin. So the bridge height needs to be higher on a viola so that the string does not buzz on the fingerboard when bowed.
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Irv said
I remembered another difference. The bass string on a viola causes a lot more displacement than the similar g string on a violin. So the bridge height needs to be higher on a viola so that the string does not buzz on the fingerboard when bowed.
I wonder if there is more risk of that on shorter-scale violas where the string tension is less?
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Irv said
Hi Andrew. I have a couple of 14” violas. Their ribs are quite a bit higher than a violin. All other dimensions are the same. If I had younger children and needed a fractional sized violin, I would strongly consider getting the similar in a viola and string it as a violin, for fractional violins are notoriously bad sounding.If you want to play a longer viola, check out the violin metrics thread on this forum and see what the Fiddlerman Shop did for bocaholly (lengthened nut to convert 4/4 violin to 7/8 violin). I saw real potential in that modification.
For the price range I'd be shopping in, I wouldn't want to make any major modifications; the risk of significantly reducing the instrument's value is too high. (Also, I'm about 95% certain I've already purchased my last string instrument, because I'd never need to upgrade even to play in professional ensembles.)
Also, with the viola, lengthening the nut comes at a price: it becomes harder to play in high positions because the body starts to obstruct your hand sooner. I routinely play orchestral viola parts going to 9th or higher positions, which is inherently awkward on any viola. I really don't want it to get any harder. Even on a violin, that modification might not be desirable for someone who plays Romantic and post-Romantic solo rep and 1st violin parts.

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Fiddlerman said
Exactly! - If I ever retire and stop working at Fiddlershop entirely, I might get a 5 string to get that nice C string and just play for myself.
Not kidding though, bigger is better.
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Yeah, my teacher just emailed me to say she thought I'd be good for a 16" if I wanted a viola (and she reiterated what everyone said above about tone and so on).
Could you offer some technical details about the 5-string, please - is it modified to give more bass response, is it thicker?
Andrew
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