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Nonchalant Smile EmoticonsIt was hard for me to decide where to start this since there's music here that can sound Cajun/Creole, Old Time, Scottish/Irish, etc...

April Verch gives us a peak into a few Canadian styles.

Many wonderful examples/tutorials of Canadian Fiddle music at Patti Kusturok's YouTube site.

https://www.youtube.com/c/Patt.....eux/videos

Both Patti Kusturok and Megan Bell have a tutorial for a French Canadian tune I'm fond of, "La Ronfleuse Gabeil".

Also, thanks to GregW for mentioning "Pascal Gemme" - he keeps the tempo slowed to help everyone in this virtual "Fiddle Hell Jam #20". 

 

Okay, hope everyone runs with this because I've got some Mazurkas up my sleeve!  

         ...don't forget there's also a "Cape Breton Strathsbeys & Reels" thread.

 

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Emily - have you listened to any of Jean Carignan's fiddling?  when I was first getting into some french canadian tunes, that's who my old teacher had me listening to a lot.  

 

i've spent YEARS trying to get the knack of french canadian foot percussion (or podorthymie, I think they call it too).  i can do the pattern, but putting it together while actually fiddling is challenging.  occasionally i can get it to click in, but it's nowhere near instinctual - anyone else have any experience with it? 

and some more french canadian tunes ... the last one Growling Old Man, Grumbling Old Woman is a tune that I think was originally french canadian, but seems to crop up in all sorts of other places too :

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@claries its comical me trying to tap my foot in a cut time manner, much less the foot tapping stuff they do.  I know its like everything else and would take some determination..and time devotion to get..like vibrato.  not close on that either..lol  all goals..long term.  

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ClaireS - I LOVE that medley - Thank you so much for sharing that (now on my very long "short" list)!  

Laugh Out Loud SmileyPLEASE tell me you've seen the GEICO Insurance commercial, "These Renters Have A Clogging Problem"!  If not, please check YouTube.

Seriously, 1st time I saw the foot tapping was Hillary Klug or in some of Duncan Ross Cameron's tutorials (YouTube) - thinking I'm probably close to NOT being able to walk & chew gum at the same time let alone bow stronger with my right arm, while being soft with my left hand, etc... (lol)

I think the "Podorythmie" truly must be ingrained into your soul - like doing it ALL the time (like in the GEICO commercial) until you are subconsciously tapping in your sleep.  Or, like Jean Carignan, be able to fiddle perfectly in your sleep so you can focus a little on your feet - ultimately you probably have to fiddle AND tap in your sleep!  Wouldn't be surprised if instead of "ringing" in your ears you end up with "tapping" in your ears, but just put those taps on ALL your footwear & GO FOR IT!

Whew!  I'm exhausted just thinking about it! 

Here's for the folks who don't know - looks pretty doable UNTIL there's a Fiddle in your hands (don't see 1 here)!

 

 

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Here is another fabulous player who hails from Quebec, Felix LeBlanc. I first saw him playing with the band Suroit in Disney World of all places. They were playing in the Canada pavillion at EPCOT. I was so enthralled that I sat and watched the entire show. There are only a few videos of the band online, but it is well worth a watch if you find one. This clip is of Felix without the band. 

Enjoy!

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Thank you @CyndieZ !   I started a pandora station for Suroit.  Ive found more cool music by doing that from recomended artist like you shared.

 

Emily @ELCB is Pascal Gemme the Genticorum bands fiddler?  seems I read that on here in one of the videos.

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CindieZ - Thank you so much for sharing that! 

I'll have to look up more of Felix LeBlanc/Suroît!

 

GregW - Bright Orange Yeah SmileyThat was too easy... Wikipedia! 

 

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GregW said
Thank you @CyndieZ !   I started a pandora station for Suroit.  Ive found more cool music by doing that from recomended artist like you shared.

  

What a great idea - I just try to keep it all in my head and trust me, that doesn't work very well! LOL. I think I'll borrow your idea!

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I hadn't heard of "Contra Dance music" until after I started playing my "Mortimer".

Just by accident, I happened upon "La Gueussinette" (Stephen Jones) & was driven to find a good sound bite I could learn from.  I still can't really pronounce it - sure makes it hard to "Ask Alexa" to play it for me! 

I did find a great, clear fiddle on the Raz-de-Marée, Tidal Wave CD (YouTube) - which said on the front "Contra music of Quebec - Musique traditionnelle québécoise".  Well, that just opened a door wide to invite me into the world of mazurkas and the whole French Canadian & Québécois music scene! 

 

Sheet music - https://thesession.org/tunes/16181

I prefer to play "La Gueussinette" in Dmin - NOT Bm like on the "Tidal Wave" CD.  Just move it all over to start on D - on the D string (if you learn it in Am from the session sheet music it's easy to move over with the same fingering).

There's a great story behind this tune!  In 2002, Steve composed/played this for his son, still in his mother's the womb.  I originally saw a video (hope it's still around) of Steve playing this tune on his accordion - with his young son accompanying him on the piano...

 

Contra Dance & music is somewhat related to "Square Dancing".  I had my doubts that "La Gueussinette" could actually be used for one, but watch this next video (mute it) while playing "Gueussy".  I think it could work... what do you think?

What fun/unexpected music in that "Contra Dance" video!

Black Cat Red Heart Smiley- Emily

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GregW - So, if you saw this Pascal Gemme video, have you learned this yet? 

This is a great Contra Dance tune, but a fiddler would fit into ANY crowd playing this! 

 

Also might enjoy a tutorial for "Reel de Montreal (or Québec Reel)" 

 

This might help if you want to try your hand at adding "Podorythmie"! (lol)I Don

 

Btw, hope to tackle more Canadian tunes but I just finally got my head straight to where I can play/remember & get into the swing (LOVE it) of all 3 parts of "H-moll Valsen" (Scandinavian Genre thread).  I don't quite have all the ornamentation I want for "Tuttles Reel" and I can't really remember, but think "Cluck Old Hen" w/chops (Country Genre thread) was next on my list... or was it another Strathsbey, or maybe a Schottische? 

Did you know, "In the southern United States at the start of the 20th century the schottische was combined with ragtime; the most popular "ragtime schottische" of the era was "Any Rags" by Thomas S. Allen in 1902. In New Orleans, Buddy Bolden's band and other proto-jazz groups were known for playing hot schottisches." (Wikipedia!)

...I don't think I'll live long enough to learn everything already on my list!

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 @ELCB- So, if you saw this Pascal Gemme video, have you learned this yet? 

No..just site reading while the vid is slowed down on the A part so far.  Im thinking that was a student concert after that event, but it doesnt say for sure...either way that looked like a blast.

ive seen that last video..dont think thats in the cards lol..  doing good to halfway play.

sounds like your plates full!  guess you caught me offering more..  😁  

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What is the "French Connection"? 

 

Thinking Very Hard SmileyKind of explains why so much Canadian music I like tends to come from accordionists or is composed for fiddlers to play along with one.

This Mazurka is a GREAT workout using the C, G, D of my 5 strings, so also a great tune for Violists!  "La Femme de Marbre" by Stephane Delicq is one of my all time favorites that I learned by ear - did it in my 1st year, so anyone can learn it. 

 

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@ELCB... got this one under my belt!  except for the harmony notes in the little section of the B part.  Its a good one to practice the double stops on.  In the A part theres 2 measures of A notes to practice the 4th finger unison stop right around 1:08.  Think youll like this.

Hers a full performance.  When the other 2 fiddles come in...wow.

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GregW - Super Superman Logo EmoticonsThis is a GREAT waltz!  I need to learn this, too...

Did I already mention my brother sent me that CD for my Birthday, this past June? 

I'm seriously thinking of signing up for the full tutorials.  Would make learning this easier, plus many others - and I still think I'm missing a few of Kevin Burke's grace notes for "Tuttles" (starting to drive me nuts). 

 

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I'm seriously thinking of signing up for the full tutorials

@ELCB ive found them helpful.

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I think that fiddle video has to be one of the best learning websites, I wasted my money on a couple of others that just haven't worked out - this one seems to give you detailed instructions on each song which is better for me - being old and forgetful I have to go over everything like 10 times, arghgh!

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Mimi Aysha - sure makes life easier, doesn't it?

I'm posting another tune I learned by ear (have sheet music - see below).

Black Heart With Pink Love  Emoticons I love this mazurka, "The Rose of Raby - Incantata" (Duo Bottasso)!  Been playing it for some time now (except too lazy to sit down & learn the full improve) - thinking (wrongly) all this time it originated as part of the Canadian Contra Dance scene. 

Angry Bored EmoticonsSo, today I found I was wrong & it's probably sacrilegious to post this here, but it sounds like it belongs here - listen to it & I'll explain... 

 

First of all, I knew that Dave Shepherd, the fiddler of "Blowzabella" (UK), wrote this tune.  Blowzabella music does have a European Folk influence and they have recorded music in France.  Much of their music is meant for the "English Cèilidh" dance which is related to Contra, but a little slower - "Dancers often use a skip, a stephop or rant step depending on region" (Wikipedia).  Their music has definitely made it over to this Continent!

Duo Bottasso kicked "The Rose of Raby" up a notch, but they are from ITALY!  They have studied traditional "Occitan" folk music.  "Occitan" language (new to me) is of Southern France, but covers "Monaco, Italy's Occitan Valleys, as well as Spain's Val d'Aran" (Wikipedia).  Dave Shepherd has taught workshops Nicolo Bottasso has attended.  If you get a chance read the impressive, diverse Bio on these brothers.

Confused Head Scratching EmoticonsSo, that's my feeble way of making a connection to "French Canadian" music.  I hope someone can at least tell me if "The Rose of Raby" is popular in Canada?

Here's sheet music for the original tune.

https://thesession.org/tunes/7885

 

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Very nice Emily! 

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So much great stuff that you guys share. I hope to play a lot of this stuff when I retire and find my new passions.....

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