Did you ever have an, “AHA!” moment? I had mine a couple days ago with my cello. I have issues leaving first position. Well, I have trouble just getting first position right. First position is getting better.
Many Aha moments! My problem is keeping those epiphanies in my head for longer periods of time! LOL!!!
How did this just dawn on me? I credit a number of things that have happened. I switched from 1/2 hour lessons every week for cello to 1 hour every other week for cello, the other hour lesson week is violin.
It is so cool, to see the way music opens your mind to concepts. This is why playing an instrument has been proven to increase the ability to learn and understand.
In that lesson the instructor (same as my cello instructor) said, “Remember in cello that you lead with the first finger for placement on the fingerboard? You lead with the third finger on violin. The rest of the fingers will follow.”
I need you to help me understand how leading with third finger on violin works. I would think that it would work the same as cello... lead with first finger on violin.
My teacher has another way to put it. When I find the correct fingering (intonation) on first finger, the half and whole steps follow after. It is like the first finger is establishing the position for the other fingers to follow. That has worked for me for a lot of fingering.
The sheet music just says, “2nd pos” for that section, and it made no sense. It is technically UPPER 2nd pos. For some reason, knowing this has made this section, and the repeats, and the similar areas, much easier. I have to know the exact what, and why. I have to have time to connect dots.
Violin uses upper and lower position fingering as well. I am still learning these. And yes, I need to connect the dots too!
Why is this in the general Learning, and not Learning Cello section of the forum. No, I am not trying to mix cello and violin, it is just the thought process is general learning, and maybe this will help others to think outside the box to help with learning your instrument.
Very helpful. I believe this is very appropriate for this learning section
- Pete -
I see what you are saying now.
Here is how I look at it...
Think about 1st position on the violin, or really any position... Where is the bow? Where are your fingers? You are undoubtedly familiar with the term, to stop a note, for string instruments. Especially the non-fretted instruments we play, e.g., violin, viola, cello, bass. The bow has to be drawn directly after the fingered note.
So the fingers behind the stopped note can be placed on that string. We do this for a few reasons like creating solid, consistent tone, providing added support on the string, avoiding "high" fingers and maintaining good position on all fingers.
The reason I am describing this in detail is to show why I think of going from 1st finger to 2nd finger to 3rd finger to 4th finger as the logical direction. That is how I see the one following the next. You cannot guide the 2nd finger with the 3rd when you play. It will get in the way.
Of course we play in both directions and notes often "jump" around unless you are playing runs. But still, going from 3rd toward the nut, all fingers behind the one stopping the string are supporting it, not the other way around.
Ok, I feel like I am being a bit redundant and over-describing this. I am not sure it still makes sense.
Please let me know how your perspective is when you pick up your violin again.
- Pete -