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Getting sound out of my bowing
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I noticed when I was working on The Happy Farmer that I need to use quite a lot of bow stroke before I start to get sound.  Once the bow is moving, I'm fine but starting from a rest I need almost 2 inches of bow stroke before I get anything coming out. 

Since Happy Farmer is about rhythm notes (count 1,2,3 then rest, then 4) I run out of bow before I get a good clear 4th beat tone.

 

I'm not lifting during the rest, just not moving the bow (or supposedly, the squeaks coming from the violin say otherwise) but I get nothing or very soft tone when I start bowing again.

 

Is this normal or do I need to learn some kind of technique to get sound as soon as the bow starts moving on the string?  I was thinking of lifting and retaking the bow a little during the rest before bowing that 4th beat to give me more bow length for it.  I don't see anyone doing that but I may have to.

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June 17, 2022 - 6:10 pm
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I will play it in a little while and see what I do and what sound I get. Like I said in a reply to your video, this piece is difficult, but so worth it. Very fun to do.

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@RDP I just watch your video (Happy Farmer) on the other thread--

A lot of the time, your bow is moving closer to the fingerboard—this will diminish the sound of the bow.  You should try to move your bow more centered between the bridge & the fingerboard—I think you’ll find it easier to get sound that way.

Also, you may find yourself skidding the bow at an angles sometimes—that’s when you’ll hear a more scratchy sound.  This can happen when you’re focusing on what your left hand is doing—makes it harder to focus on the bow hand (my teacher calls this “kerflooey”—messing up one hand while focusing on the other).

Practicing with long bows on open strings is a good thing to do (I do it all the time).  By doing this, you can focus on what a full bow stroke feels like without the distraction of what you need to be doing with your left hand. The bow feels different at different points (at the tip, at the frog, etc.,).  Being able to distinguish this will help you learn how to control it at different points.

My teacher calls this exercise “80 bows” (use long, full bows; steady--each bow even & not fast, moving to each string without a break):

Bow 4 times on the G string (i.e., up, down, up, down is 4), then 4 on the D, then 4 on the A, then 4 on the E—then reverse 4 on the E, 4 on the A., etc., 

Once you get back to the G & finish the 4, then start over but now do 3 times on the G, 3 times on D, etc., up & down.  Then start over on the G doing 2 times, up & down etc.,

Then on the G one time, up & down.

When you first start doing this, you may have to stop because you find you need to adjust your position, etc., but you should aim to do all "80" bows in a row at a steady pace.

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A wider angle video would be helpful, so that we can see what your arm and wrist are doing. Also, is the problem worse on up bows, down bows, or the same in both directions?

The other possibility, besides technique, is that it's a rosin or bow hair issue. Too little rosin on your bow and it won't catch the string well enough. Rosin caked on the string can also keep the bow from getting a good grip on it. And if you have been using your bow for a long time without a rehair, that could also be responsible for the problem.

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